Linky meter: Operating and user manual?

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by izentrop » 17/06/18, 22:47

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by Gaston » 18/06/18, 10:31

izentrop wrote:Until then, whether at Enedis or CRE http://www.cre.fr/reseaux/reseaux-intel ... ge-evoluesthere is talk of communication with the local hub, not between them.
They do not “really” communicate with each other, they serve (if necessary) as a relay to ensure communication with the central.
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by Gaston » 18/06/18, 10:36

sicetaitsimple wrote:But already there are electricity supply offers (I'm not going to advertise, there are several) to -30% at night (that already existed with HP // HC rates) but also all day the WE. I think that potentially it can interest a lot of people, especially families with both parents working.

And in my opinion it's just a start, it should be sophisticated in the future.
Yes, the Linky provides opportunities for operators that will (possibly) save some users.

By cons in terms of service provided to the user (especially for the end of its consumption, which was the main argument of Linky for the user), there is not much left.
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by izentrop » 18/06/18, 18:27

Gaston wrote:
izentrop wrote:Until then, whether at Enedis or CRE http://www.cre.fr/reseaux/reseaux-intel ... ge-evoluesthere is talk of communication with the local hub, not between them.
They do not “really” communicate with each other, they serve (if necessary) as a relay to ensure communication with the central.
Yes indeed
Linky's G3 CPL offers a "range" of several kilometers using a frequency band of the order of 35 to 90 KHz (in France thanks to the CENELEC-A band dedicated to this purpose) and OFDM coding (orthogonal frequency -division multiplexing) with multiple error correction. Its actual throughput does not exceed 1 KB / s in the best case! The management of disturbances is a crucial point since, contrary to popular belief, the PLC does not "stop" at the meter - this would require a huge filter - and the signal flows upstream and downstream from Linky. As a direct consequence, all the electromagnetic pollution generated by the Ignor's ignored switching power supplies is also found in the ERDF power grid, well after the meter. Linky must therefore use a transmission mode that is highly resistant to disturbances.
So much for the physical layer (PHY) that defines the parameters of the electric signal CPL. Then there is a MAC layer and 6LoWPAN (IPv6 over Low-power Wireless Personal Area Network) that allows the interface with a network layer in IPv6 classic. Note that the MAC layer used in the Linky G3 CPL supports a so-called "Full Mesh" management mode that allows to opt for the best path so that the data reaches the concentrator even in a very disturbed environment. A meter can relay the signal from its neighbor to allow it to reach the concentrator indirectly. https://www.cpchardware.com/linky-fanta ... ealites/3/
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by Remundo » 19/06/18, 00:51

thank you for the electronic gibberish, it looks very interesting.

All that to replace disc counters much more robust and reliable ... ah yes but it communicates! Great.
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by izentrop » 19/06/18, 09:02

The other pages of the file are just as interesting
"The fear merchants constantly talk about Linky's“ toxic ”radiation, insisting on the“ unshielded ”character of the ERDF network. By quickly forgetting a significant precedent. A signal with surprisingly similar characteristics (same range frequencies in kHz, same maximum power of 20 dBm, same OFDM modulation, etc.) has already been deployed in France on a large scale, on an unshielded network that was not originally intended for this: ADSL . All the irrational arguments of the anti-waves about Linky can indeed be applied directly to the telephone network and to ADSL. Yet, neither the electro-sensitive nor any association have yet denounced the “danger for the public health ”represented by the radiation of the ADSL signal in the unshielded telephone cables that circulate everywhere. Conversely, Robin des Toits even presents ADSL on its site as presenting“ no health risk. ”After having praised the benefits cordless phones“Analog”, the association is no longer except for a contradiction… " https://www.cpchardware.com/linky-fanta ... ealites/4/
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by Christophe » 24/09/18, 12:41

Another prediction of the forum which came true: https://www.lesechos.fr/idees-debats/ce ... 203471.php

Counter communicating: the mess of Linky

THE CIRCLE / POINT OF VIEW - Because it allows to control its consumption and favor green electricity, Linky had everything to please consumers. The great mistake of Enedis is to have imposed on households.
Since 2015, Enedis and its Linky smart electricity meter are making a lot of ink. Designed to transmit electricity consumption data in order to propose more precise tariffs while promoting the development of green electricity, Linky has been largely unwelcome by households.

At the time of the awareness of the ecological urgency, a better energetic control is nevertheless necessary, justified and even imposed by the European Union on the member countries. Connected and smart meters can fulfill this mission.

Greener consumption

Why is it necessary to monitor and transmit its consumption data to promote the share of green energy? Quite simply because currently, the peaks of sun and wind do not correspond to the peaks of consumption, and it is too complex and expensive to store this electricity. We then run polluting power plants to meet our needs, canceling the positive impact of green energy whose consumption is not optimized.

It is therefore essential to better understand and analyze its needs and consumption in order to then coincide with local green electricity production. The peak production of solar panels in my region is 14 hours: why then not to program my washing machine at that time? As such, these connected meters must lay the groundwork for greener and more sustainable consumption.

Anti-Linky

Why such an outcry? Is France a country resistant to change and insensitive to ecological imperatives? Enedis wants transparency for its users, while the anti-Linky wish the suspension of the meter installations, or even their withdrawal, claiming the principle of precaution and respect for privacy. They do not hesitate to support their posture of arguments bordering misinformation and approaching the most beautiful theories of conspiracy.

No, Linky does not emit dangerous waves. No, Linky does not break the power, or even your bill. To transmit the data Linky is connected by cables to the electrical network (like a fixed telephone), so the meter does not emit radio waves, unlike your Wi-Fi box, your mobile phone or Bluetooth. The electromagnetic fields emitted by the counters are, as such, lower than those of a charger or a screen.

Personal data

A fear, however, is justified and legitimate: that of mass surveillance. Indeed, Linky retrieves data allowing to know the habits of life and individuals in a home. It is essential that everyone remains master of their data, and can choose to communicate them or not. France is a country where privacy is one of the most protected, especially thanks to the CNIL. It is equally crucial that economic actors, even more if they are in a quasi-monopoly situation, respect the rights of citizens.

In the pure Bonapartist French tradition, the State, via Enedis, has decided to impose Linky on all French households, whether they want it or not. Linky represents progress, embodies a positive goal but ... collects personal data. The French are not resistant to change, the French are not opposed to ecology: they just want to have a choice.

Free will

By imposing Linky on its subscribers, Enedis has cut itself off from its users and public opinion. It would have been more clever to give the choice to the French. Enedis could have proposed the installation of the Linky meters as an additional service and, what is more, free. The meter allows you to better track your electricity consumption, provides personalized advice and prioritizes green electricity consumption: a real home personal assistant.

Little by little, Linky would have made its place, dismissing through positive word of mouth fears and arguments unfounded anti-Linky. The majority of French people would have adopted it, as well as Italians, Swedes, Estonians and Finns.

The connected meter is essential in France to succeed the energy transition. Nevertheless, it seems to me just as important that a technology involving personal data can not be imposed. It is by leaving his free will to the customer, and placing it in the heart of the service, that we can give him the keys to better and less consume.

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by Petrus » 24/09/18, 19:34

The connected meter is essential in France to succeed the energy transition.

Why ? All you need is a system that allows you to switch loads off-peak, which has been around for decades.
The green argument is bogus, the real reason for the existence of these "smart" meters is control, in both senses of the term: data collection and limitation / cut off of the remote electricity supply .
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by izentrop » 24/09/18, 19:44

This is not really a mess, only that the French must caress them in the direction of the hair to make them adopt progress.

In Italy, I do not know how it was presented to them because even though this country had the most scammers, it was like a letter in the mail.

In Belgium they take their time : Wink:
It is more complicated, several operators and different solutions for each operator. Only from 2023, for some categories only. http://www.ecoconso.be/fr/content/bient ... n-wallonie

But also more tweezers:
Those who wish can disable the communicating functions
A possible derogation for the intolerant to the waves https://www.rtbf.be/info/belgique/detai ... id=9937466
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