Connect a Guinard Kietis single-phase pump to three-phase 220 V for use on a VFD

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Re: Connecting a Guinard Kietis single-phase pump to three-phase 220 V for use on a VFD




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by phil59 » 06/09/22, 21:51

Christophe wrote:Uh it's a 10µF for a 670W motor : Mrgreen: ...I get it quedale...anyway I never understood anything about these filthy electric motors! : Lol: : Lol:


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Re: Connecting a Guinard Kietis single-phase pump to three-phase 220 V for use on a VFD




by izentrop » 07/09/22, 08:40

Christophe wrote:Uh it's a 10µF for a 670W motor : Mrgreen: ...I get it quedale...anyway I never understood anything about these filthy electric motors! : Lol: : Lol:
Because it is a permanent capacitor https://jadengineer.com/condensateur-pe ... -demarrage

You have to see it on the ohmmeter and it will smoke if you plug in tri : Mrgreen:
A pump offers little resistance when starting, unlike a compressor (of a fridge, for example)
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by Christophe » 07/09/22, 08:47

Ah damn... But all this is a bit contradictory, isn't it? : Shock:

10 µF does not correspond to any results of the formulas... : Shock: : Shock:
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by izentrop » 07/09/22, 08:53

Christophe wrote:Ah damn... But all this is a bit contradictory, isn't it? : Shock:

10 µF does not correspond to any results of the formulas... : Shock: : Shock:
I don't know... Engineers also have the economic factor in mind, which also pushes them to always reduce the quantities of raw materials to achieve the same result, while meeting increasingly stringent standards.
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by Christophe » 07/09/22, 09:01

Yeah it's ok I understood: nobody understands anything!! : Mrgreen:

It's a PE 1000 MKP SH at 10 µF...it holds up well...I installed this pump in 2007 and it runs 1000h per year...so it's around 15h...

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by Macro » 07/09/22, 09:21

After taking information from my winder this morning...I take back what I said yesterday...your motor most likely only has 2 windings and not 3 like an asynchronous three-phase if you connect your 3rd phase to the point middle... You'll just burn it...

Your capacitor is of small value because it is a permanent condo. a circulating centrifugal pump does not need a high starting torque Izentrop is right.
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by Christophe » 07/09/22, 09:41

Well it's dead then, is it not worth it that I waste time measuring the windings? : Cry: : Cry: : Cry:
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by izentrop » 07/09/22, 09:53

I also think, like the coil of Fragger of the washing machine pump which only influences the start to give the direction of rotation. If it were a sorting (measurable with an ohmmeter), it would still require a substantial condo to create the necessary phase shift at nominal power... And perhaps waste copper for mono operation. :?:

On my submerged pump, charged water, it seems to me that the condo was 40 µF for 750 W. It is the motor casing that was pierced by corrosion. I gave the new one a coat of rustproofing, we'll see if it lasts longer. I no longer leave it submerged permanently.
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by Christophe » 07/09/22, 10:10

izentrop wrote:I also think, like the coil of Fragger of the washing machine pump which only influences the start to give the direction of rotation. If it were a sorting (measurable with an ohmmeter), it would still require a substantial condo to create the necessary phase shift at nominal power... And perhaps waste copper for mono operation. :?:


Agree except that 10µF is not 43 µF given by the formula you put above...

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