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And by combining photovoltaic and Peltier?




by camel1 » 03/01/07, 23:03

Hi friends !

I come back to see a friend who rides in an electric car, and who is a fan of energy alternatives, and we were talking about the use of solar photovoltaic to recharge batteries, with the disadvantage of the sensor surface that was needed in conventional ...
I spoke to him about the idea (developed elsewhere on econo ...) of concentration by lens, which makes it possible to multiply the pullable power of an element ... the residual problem being the cooling of the silicon, whose temperature can not to exceed 120 ° C ...

As I am interested in this subject, even if it is for the moment only theoretically, it seems to me (and this has also been mentioned elsewhere) that we could advantageously take advantage of these two types of sensors. ...

Here is a crobard to understand the idea:

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A lens focuses sunlight on the photovoltaic cell, which is in thermal contact with the "hot" side of the Peltier cell.
The heat (IR) propagates through the substrates, and reaches the finned cooler, which is in thermal contact with the "cold" side of the Peltier.

The heat is dissipated by the flow of air passing between the fins, to maintain a Dt ° acceptable for the cell.

The electricity supplied by the two cells is recovered from this assembly.
One can imagine this assembly mounted on a "follower" turret which orients the plane of the cells perpendicular to the solar ray, so as to obtain the best performance.

This is called killing two birds with one stone!

What do you think ? : Cheesy:
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by tazar » 04/01/07, 01:47

the idea is good now it is necessary to try. Take a fresnel lens, there are cheap ones on ebay polycarbonate. The pb it is not hot enough for a peltier. The maximum temperature is 170 ° C where the photovoltaic is already dead.
I did tests to use the HVP that we can have in abundance. It also allows you to warm up for the winter.
http://www.h2osmose.com/ecogwada/frittes/TEG/
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by Glurk » 24/06/07, 23:21

Hello everyone....

I found this for the furriers:

http://www.hebeiltd.com.cn/?p=peltier.module

I find the prices particularly interesting compared
what I've seen elsewhere ... I'm thinking of ordering a few
for a test at first. What do you think ?
Apparently they manufacture sealed modules, high temperature ....
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by jonule » 13/07/07, 12:39

Hi everybody !
for the max T ° C this is not a "real" problem: the peltier does not work with a max T ° C, but with a DIFFERENCE of T ° C!
if you can not get hot, you need cold!
it is enough to cool + the cold side, just sink the sink in water ... or oil, as for large transformers.

for the conversion of electricity from a few volts into 12V it is necessary to use a 12V rectifier component (7805) according to the electronic assemblies which concentrate the flatness of the current in 12V "peaks", of the pulsed desulfator type:
http://www.nrjrealiste.fr/elec/batterie/Desulfateur.pdf

What do you think ?



PS: we imagine but this is not the subject what a stirling engine would debit like WATTS in a nuclear power station, which is a typical turbine that runs with water vapor heated by uranium , and cooled afterwards with the waters of the rivers, this wasted potential is simply ONE GESTURE COMEMRCIAL for the planet, thanks to all and to ITER, of the old generation ;-)

ditto of course on vehicles with coolant ...
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by toto65 » 13/07/07, 14:55

I read with interest the thread of this subject which is great.
Like what it takes time to discover all the subjects of this forum.
on the site proposed by glurk we find 250 w packers w to 16 $!

TEC1-12730HT High temp. 62x62x4.8mm 30A / 16.2V 254W 127 couples US $ 16.4


by comparison on the panel site
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we have a photovoltaic panels for approx 300 € to 40w.

I am very surprised. Even if we get 50% of the advertised power!

for camel
I think it is a good idea. It was rainy :D
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by Woodcutter » 13/07/07, 22:03

I have not read the whole thing, but does anyone know the Calopile ?
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by jonule » 18/07/07, 12:17

yes but can we provide it as easily as a peltier module?
or to make it?
I read that it was necessary to achieve an autogenous welding of a metal that is found in boilermakers and I know more what else ...
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by toto65 » 18/07/07, 19:38

it is a very good link that Bucheron offers us.
I read the specifics on this forum.

: Arrow: it is only for industrial (large industries).
: Arrow: Not before 2008.
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by Obelix » 18/07/07, 21:08

toto65 wrote:it is a very good link that Bucheron offers us.
I read the specifics on this forum.

: Arrow: it is only for industrial (large industries).
: Arrow: Not before 2008.


Hello,

Sorry, but the heck is not for now !!
I was part of a research lab and I tried to get it for two years already!
Answer: yes, we can maybe, we have to see etc .....
I was very well placed !!

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by toto65 » 18/07/07, 21:31

hello obelix,
Do you know the energy that can be used on a peltier plate?
For example a plaque found on the site that offers glurk:
: Arrow: 62x62x4.8mm 30A / 16.2V 254W 127 couples.
I find the energy of these plates so important.
another hippie site
http://calopile.free.fr/contact.html
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