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Compact fluorescent light bulbs: actual consumption and tests
During the test (overwhelming see https://www.econologie.com/forums/ampoules-a ... 18-30.html ) that I just realized on the LED bulbs, I took the opportunity to test all the models of fluo bulbs that I have at home.
For the moment I do not have a luxmeter, so there is no results concerning the brightness, this test is simply about the power consumed compared to the indication given on the bulb.
Edit here are the results:
For the method read more or go directly here: https://www.econologie.com/forums/ampoules-f ... html#28303
Protocol:
a) tests carried out with a counter on hold,
b) on a E27 base lamp and an E14 socket,
c) measurements taken after 2 minutes of "warm-up time" (but the consumptions ultimately vary when the bulb is hot, 10 to 15% maximum)
d) a test of a complete desk lamp sold to consume 11W has also been realized. It is equipped with a G23 bulb 11W (complete desk lamp was also realized) but with a transformer not integrated in the bulb.
e) all fluo bulbs are in 2700 ° K except that of Spot Eco which is in 6400 ° K (so very cold but ideal for work or an external light)
These tests concern: a) "Lucide" desk lamp
CFL bulbs made of E27:
a) Lumika 20W E27 bought in 2004
b) Lumika 15W E27 bought in 2004
c) Massive 9W E27 purchased late 2005
d) Massive 15W E27 purchased late 2005
e) Phillips 9W E27 purchased in 2004
CFL bulbs made of E14:
a) Ectron 7W E14 bought in 2006
b) Ikéa 7W E14 bought late 2000
c) Massive 9W E14 purchased late 2005
A massive incandescent bulb of 60W. (still hanging in a cardboard box)
Map of my "Testing laboratory" (in truth, my microscopic bathroom ) and some photos to prove that I do not talk bullshit ...
Mesures
1) Desk lamp brand "Lucide" (ok it is very ugly, although 20 years ago it had to tear) paid 5 € at the end of stock out of curiosity!
Label (sorry for the quality it is a reflective label so very hard to photograph well):
OSRAM bulb with 23W G11 base.
Measured consumption: 37,60W.
Constant consumption after 3 minutes.
Overcapacity coefficient: 37,60 / 11 = 3,42 is a measured power / power ratio of 342%!
Conclusion: pay attention to the tube-based compact fluorescent lamps G (G23 G24 * GX24 * and 2G * or * = more specific references) or the transformer is external (unlike E14 and E27 fluocompact) and that consumes (in my case) the equivalent of 2,42 times the power of the bulb.
So we end up with a global consumption of 3,42 the power of the bulb! It's a safe bet that this is the case (multiplier coefficient greater than 3) with all the transformer desk lamps.
2) Compact fluorescent bulbs made of E27:
a) Lumika 20W measured consumption: 18,01W.
Measured power / power given: 90%
b) Lumika 15W measured consumption: 16,45W
Measured power / power given: 109,6%
c) Massive 9W measured consumption: 11,50W
Measured power / power given: 127,7%
d) Massive 15W measured consumption: 18,96W
Measured power / power given: 126,4%
e) Phillips 9W measured consumption: 14,1W
Measured power / power given: 156,6%
CFL bulbs made of E14:
a) Ectron 7W measured consumption: 9,52W.
Measured power / power given: 136%
b) Ikéa 7W measured consumption: 9,50W.
Measured power / power given: 135,7%
c) Massive 9W measured consumption: 11,85W.
Measured power / power given: 131,6%
60W Massive Incandescent Bulb: 64W.
Measured power / power given: 106,7%
The Eco SpotLight spot given to 22W: 20,85W.
Measured power / power given: 94,7%
Analysis
a) Measured power
Unless otherwise (Lumika 20W) all compact fluorescents consume more than what is indicated.
With one exception (the Phillips that consumes 1,5 times the power given) it remains reasonable (20 30%) but still important (1 / 4)!
By cons nothing to do with the difference of more than 300% on the LED bulbs see https://www.econologie.com/forums/ampoules-a ... t2118.html )
Is it due to the aging of the lamps? Hypothesis unlikely since "old" lamps like the Ikea which is almost 6 years old have the same coef. than new ones.
On the other hand, its intensity seems lower than a "new" model of 7W so the light efficiency would tend to decrease over time? It would be necessary to compare exactly the same new model and that of 6 years to be rigorous ... not easy.
Anyway brightness tests with a Luxmeter are coming ....
b) Measured power / power given
Average on 8 compact fluorescents: 126% is 1 / 4 of consumption in more than that which is indicated.
Average on E27: 122% is 1 / 4 overconsumption.
Average on E14: 134% is 1 / 3 overconsumption.
It would seem therefore that the more powerful the bulbs are, the more the overconsumption decreases (for the 20 and 22 W bulbs there is indeed no overconsumption on the contrary there is a slight under consumption) compared to what is indicated but it would take a larger sample of lamp to conclude.
Conclusion
The apparent "overconsumption" compared to what is advertised seems to decrease with the power of the bulb.
Tests on more significant samples and other means of measurement should be carried out to conclude more precisely.
Be that as it may, a more complete file that will measure the luminous intensity of compact fluorescents, LEDs and incandescent bulbs is being created.
For the moment I do not have a luxmeter, so there is no results concerning the brightness, this test is simply about the power consumed compared to the indication given on the bulb.
Edit here are the results:
For the method read more or go directly here: https://www.econologie.com/forums/ampoules-f ... html#28303
Protocol:
a) tests carried out with a counter on hold,
b) on a E27 base lamp and an E14 socket,
c) measurements taken after 2 minutes of "warm-up time" (but the consumptions ultimately vary when the bulb is hot, 10 to 15% maximum)
d) a test of a complete desk lamp sold to consume 11W has also been realized. It is equipped with a G23 bulb 11W (complete desk lamp was also realized) but with a transformer not integrated in the bulb.
e) all fluo bulbs are in 2700 ° K except that of Spot Eco which is in 6400 ° K (so very cold but ideal for work or an external light)
These tests concern: a) "Lucide" desk lamp
CFL bulbs made of E27:
a) Lumika 20W E27 bought in 2004
b) Lumika 15W E27 bought in 2004
c) Massive 9W E27 purchased late 2005
d) Massive 15W E27 purchased late 2005
e) Phillips 9W E27 purchased in 2004
CFL bulbs made of E14:
a) Ectron 7W E14 bought in 2006
b) Ikéa 7W E14 bought late 2000
c) Massive 9W E14 purchased late 2005
A massive incandescent bulb of 60W. (still hanging in a cardboard box)
Map of my "Testing laboratory" (in truth, my microscopic bathroom ) and some photos to prove that I do not talk bullshit ...
Mesures
1) Desk lamp brand "Lucide" (ok it is very ugly, although 20 years ago it had to tear) paid 5 € at the end of stock out of curiosity!
Label (sorry for the quality it is a reflective label so very hard to photograph well):
OSRAM bulb with 23W G11 base.
Measured consumption: 37,60W.
Constant consumption after 3 minutes.
Overcapacity coefficient: 37,60 / 11 = 3,42 is a measured power / power ratio of 342%!
Conclusion: pay attention to the tube-based compact fluorescent lamps G (G23 G24 * GX24 * and 2G * or * = more specific references) or the transformer is external (unlike E14 and E27 fluocompact) and that consumes (in my case) the equivalent of 2,42 times the power of the bulb.
So we end up with a global consumption of 3,42 the power of the bulb! It's a safe bet that this is the case (multiplier coefficient greater than 3) with all the transformer desk lamps.
2) Compact fluorescent bulbs made of E27:
a) Lumika 20W measured consumption: 18,01W.
Measured power / power given: 90%
b) Lumika 15W measured consumption: 16,45W
Measured power / power given: 109,6%
c) Massive 9W measured consumption: 11,50W
Measured power / power given: 127,7%
d) Massive 15W measured consumption: 18,96W
Measured power / power given: 126,4%
e) Phillips 9W measured consumption: 14,1W
Measured power / power given: 156,6%
CFL bulbs made of E14:
a) Ectron 7W measured consumption: 9,52W.
Measured power / power given: 136%
b) Ikéa 7W measured consumption: 9,50W.
Measured power / power given: 135,7%
c) Massive 9W measured consumption: 11,85W.
Measured power / power given: 131,6%
60W Massive Incandescent Bulb: 64W.
Measured power / power given: 106,7%
The Eco SpotLight spot given to 22W: 20,85W.
Measured power / power given: 94,7%
Analysis
a) Measured power
Unless otherwise (Lumika 20W) all compact fluorescents consume more than what is indicated.
With one exception (the Phillips that consumes 1,5 times the power given) it remains reasonable (20 30%) but still important (1 / 4)!
By cons nothing to do with the difference of more than 300% on the LED bulbs see https://www.econologie.com/forums/ampoules-a ... t2118.html )
Is it due to the aging of the lamps? Hypothesis unlikely since "old" lamps like the Ikea which is almost 6 years old have the same coef. than new ones.
On the other hand, its intensity seems lower than a "new" model of 7W so the light efficiency would tend to decrease over time? It would be necessary to compare exactly the same new model and that of 6 years to be rigorous ... not easy.
Anyway brightness tests with a Luxmeter are coming ....
b) Measured power / power given
Average on 8 compact fluorescents: 126% is 1 / 4 of consumption in more than that which is indicated.
Average on E27: 122% is 1 / 4 overconsumption.
Average on E14: 134% is 1 / 3 overconsumption.
It would seem therefore that the more powerful the bulbs are, the more the overconsumption decreases (for the 20 and 22 W bulbs there is indeed no overconsumption on the contrary there is a slight under consumption) compared to what is indicated but it would take a larger sample of lamp to conclude.
Conclusion
The apparent "overconsumption" compared to what is advertised seems to decrease with the power of the bulb.
Tests on more significant samples and other means of measurement should be carried out to conclude more precisely.
Be that as it may, a more complete file that will measure the luminous intensity of compact fluorescents, LEDs and incandescent bulbs is being created.
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Woodcutter wrote:Hold to be complete, could you test a halogen (conso and lighting mode "wall lamp" or "indirect lighting lamp") to denounce the heresy of these gadgets
A halogen? It's kwa?
Frankly as an economist do you really think I have it at home?
Well without laughing we have no hallogene, against I tested one (with a pm230 forcing) at a friend to see the quality of the regulator and indeed it varies well (roughly) from 0 to 300 W. I ' did not take the exact values, it was just for info ... cons I remember one thing well: below 70 consumption 80W the light is very low (very orange) ... I would say the l equivalent of a glow of 30 40 W. But it is not very objective all this ... strongly that I receive my luxmeter (after there is more to find kk1 who will lend me his halogen) .. .
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ps: strictly speaking the only unknown is the inaccuracy of the PM230 (although the error, if it exists, is necessarily weak) but I suppose that the higher the load is higher the PM230 is accurate (normal finally ...) .
It would be necessary, for more rigor, that one day I calibrate it. Would you have an idea how to proceed?
I have 2 multimeters (including 1 which takes up to 20 A) but it is the precise variable load that I miss (especially at low load ...) ... the best would be a variable resistive load of laboratory of course ... but I have ...
It would be necessary, for more rigor, that one day I calibrate it. Would you have an idea how to proceed?
I have 2 multimeters (including 1 which takes up to 20 A) but it is the precise variable load that I miss (especially at low load ...) ... the best would be a variable resistive load of laboratory of course ... but I have ...
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MP230 validation
Current: on halogen bulb 50w
multimeter APPA95 199mA
multimeter ITC777 200mA
PM230 200mA
the variations of voltages 232v ~ 235v during the measurements
Tension:
multimeter APPA95 233.5 volt
multimeter ITC777 234.9 volt
clamp ITC200 233-- volt
PM230 234-- volt
measurements recorded in the same second with APPA95 as a reference.
Current: on halogen bulb 50w
multimeter APPA95 199mA
multimeter ITC777 200mA
PM230 200mA
the variations of voltages 232v ~ 235v during the measurements
Tension:
multimeter APPA95 233.5 volt
multimeter ITC777 234.9 volt
clamp ITC200 233-- volt
PM230 234-- volt
measurements recorded in the same second with APPA95 as a reference.
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FLUOCOMPACT TESTS.
firstly the fluo which starts with a ballast poses the problem of the cos phi in the measurements (0.5 to check by those who know).
for others the correspondence is good.
Brand conso donated conso
Matsuoka 5w 4.6w
Matsuoka 8w 6.8w
Electris (red) 15w 12.6w
Attralux 14w 15w
Direct Energy 11w 11.5w
PT 15w 9.3w
Astrell 11w 13.9w
????? 3w 2.3w
(Well, I have no Phillips or Osram )
firstly the fluo which starts with a ballast poses the problem of the cos phi in the measurements (0.5 to check by those who know).
for others the correspondence is good.
Brand conso donated conso
Matsuoka 5w 4.6w
Matsuoka 8w 6.8w
Electris (red) 15w 12.6w
Attralux 14w 15w
Direct Energy 11w 11.5w
PT 15w 9.3w
Astrell 11w 13.9w
????? 3w 2.3w
(Well, I have no Phillips or Osram )
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"It's not because they are likely to be wrong they are right!" (Coluche)
"It's not because they are likely to be wrong they are right!" (Coluche)
With your G23 / 11W desk lamp, you had 37,60W.
I tested a lamp in the office ( ) comparable (11W, with transformer on the socket), not often lit and that has well 15 years.
May & Christe GMBH - Tranforma Tore Werke
7911-3-1608 E 7 - 9 / 11 / XNUMXW lamp
230V 50H 0,17A Lambda = 0,41 tw105
What makes 230 * 0,17 = 39,1W. So, is specified on the transformer of the lamp, a conso of 39,1W to illuminate a bulb 11w.
With an Arnoult Chauvin CA 5240 multimeter, I found
0,187A and 225,6V ~
What makes 42,187W, a little more than the previous 39,1W, and even more than your 37,60W, to light a 23W G11 bulb.
Overconsumption coefficient: 42,18 / 11 = 3,835
I tested a lamp in the office ( ) comparable (11W, with transformer on the socket), not often lit and that has well 15 years.
May & Christe GMBH - Tranforma Tore Werke
7911-3-1608 E 7 - 9 / 11 / XNUMXW lamp
230V 50H 0,17A Lambda = 0,41 tw105
What makes 230 * 0,17 = 39,1W. So, is specified on the transformer of the lamp, a conso of 39,1W to illuminate a bulb 11w.
With an Arnoult Chauvin CA 5240 multimeter, I found
0,187A and 225,6V ~
What makes 42,187W, a little more than the previous 39,1W, and even more than your 37,60W, to light a 23W G11 bulb.
Overconsumption coefficient: 42,18 / 11 = 3,835
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Well it is interesting this test, but after it would be necessary to measure the luminous intensity obtained, because if compared to the announced power CA consumes 10% less but illuminates 20% less, the gain of 10% is not really interesting.
With regard to halogens, I had understood that the Watt / Luminous Intensity efficiency was more advantageous with the halogen than with a conventional bulb. Once again someone will be able to do tests with the Wattmetre and a light intensity sensor, the results will be very interesting.
SixK
With regard to halogens, I had understood that the Watt / Luminous Intensity efficiency was more advantageous with the halogen than with a conventional bulb. Once again someone will be able to do tests with the Wattmetre and a light intensity sensor, the results will be very interesting.
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delnoram wrote:MP230 validation
Current: on halogen bulb 50w
multimeter APPA95 199mA
multimeter ITC777 200mA
PM230 200mA
the variations of voltages 232v ~ 235v during the measurements
Tension:
multimeter APPA95 233.5 volt
multimeter ITC777 234.9 volt
clamp ITC200 233-- volt
PM230 234-- volt
measurements recorded in the same second with APPA95 as a reference.
Great for these measurements
It's all good that means (at least on 1 200mA measurement) the PM230 is very accurate and reliable ... it may be necessary to check several powers to confirm this reliability ... You'd have the gear for?
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delnoram wrote:Matsuoka 5w 4.6w
Matsuoka 8w 6.8w
Electris (red) 15w 12.6w
Attralux 14w 15w
Direct Energy 11w 11.5w
PT 15w 9.3w
Astrell 11w 13.9w
????? 3w 2.3w
Astonishing your measures because you are rather under the power indicated while I was 20 30% and more (with one exception ready) ... especially the PT (38% less!) ... you're on that she is not farted? Niark niark niark sorry!
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