Degrowth by Timothée Parrique

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Degrowth by Timothée Parrique




by humus » 09/07/21, 09:24

Degrowth, a social project? - PARRICAL TIMOTHY

Better understand growth, its implications, its limits, its alternatives.
At a time of climate, ecological and energy challenges, should we, or even can we continue to want to grow our economies?
The question is still very much taboo as the prospect of the end of growth is so scary. Despite the drastic reductions in CO2 emissions that are targeted, despite a growing awareness of the impact of our lifestyles on the planet, we largely refuse to talk about the subject. Growth will be green, sustainable, sustainable, but it will be there, it is obvious ...
To think about decrease is to hypothesize that no, this growth is not eternal, and moreover that it is no longer desirable in the current context.

This is what Timothée Parrique, doctor of economics, author of a thesis on the subject (The political economy of degrowth, 2019).
Timothée is also the author of “Decoupling debunked - Evidence and arguments against green growth”, a report on green growth published by the European Environmental Bureau (EEB) in 2019. He teaches at Uppsala University in Sweden and at the Autonomous University of Barcelona, ​​and is currently writing a book for Flammarion on the subject of degrowth.

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03:00 - Course of Timothée Parrique. Why the decrease?
06:00 - How to define economic growth? How to measure economic growth?
10: 00 -Mechanisms of economic growth. Role of energy and debt in growth? Role of work and innovation?
16:00 - Role of energy in growth?
20:00 p.m. - Role of debt in growth?
24:00 - Idea of ​​progress. Relationship between progress and growth.
28:00 - What is objectionable, questionable in the discourse on growth? Are the promises of growth realistic?
35: 00- Empirically, we get the impression that economic growth is something concretely positive. How to understand the apparent correlation between growth and the standard of living, the progress of the population, the development, the power of a nation.
40:00 - Myth of eternal growth.
49:00 - Specificities of the XX-th century.
56:00 - Degrowth: what are we talking about?
01:01 - Reception of the word "degrowth". Decline and recession. Why speak of "degrowth"? What is needed in the "degrowth" project.
01: 06- Is degrowth a necessity? Why is this subject so polarized?
01:09:00 - What would decay planning look like?
01:17:10 - How to do it? Is the degrowth project realistic? Realistically acceptable?

Interview recorded on May 4, 2021
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by dede2002 » 10/07/21, 13:21

There is a word in English that could seduce people, it's "slowdown" ...

In a way, before you can slow down you would have to stop accelerating!
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by humus » 11/07/21, 07:57

In a lot more alive, there is this video on the subject:
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by humus » 11/07/21, 09:14

dede2002 wrote:There is a word in English that could seduce people, it's "slowdown" ...

In a way, before you can slow down you would have to stop accelerating!


In French that would give "Slow down".
A new trend, slow motion? : Wink:
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by Ahmed » 11/07/21, 10:57

There is something conceptually disturbing about the idea of ​​degrowth. Certainly, one can think that certain disadvantages would be reduced, but the functional framework would be seriously affected, with other disadvantages which are precisely concealed by this negative dynamic. Only an "out of frame" reasoning seems relevant to me, otherwise it amounts to putting a smaller jet on the carburetor of an engine not designed to operate in this way. On the one hand, it could upset everyone, on the other hand, the risk is to promote a crisis management model in "belt tightening" mode ...
I took a look at the rantings de Timothée Parrique and, indeed, it's a tasty, harmless mix, the kind that ordinarily makes a hit with the media. He even questions the reason for the need for growth! ... and specifies that decrease is not synonymous with recession, but with "another" economy.
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Re: The degrowth




by Christophe » 11/07/21, 12:37

For a real decrease, let "nature" * do its thing rather than hope to impose something unnatural on man **!

* I'm obviously talking about the covid ... the "" are important
** at least for the most part but especially for the entire human ruling class
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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 11/07/21, 12:48

Let's start already to stop wasting everything that we squander for nothing (energy, food, water, non-durable consumer goods, non-repairable, useless packaging etc ...), let's save money by virtuous means (insulation, constructions passive and / or active, recycling, instructions, short circuits, limitation of vehicle power, production of really economical engines, etc.), things will already get better.
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by Christophe » 11/07/21, 13:23

You don't think about it Guy! No more spoiling is already a decrease my dear Guy !!

We must destroy, we must loot, we must spoil to inflate the sacrosanct GDP !!

A road accident is good for the GDP
Burning car is good for the GDP
A natural disaster is good for the GDP

The resulting human misery? Who cares, it's good for the GDP

Make his kitchen garden, it's not good for the GDP
DIY yourself gutter, it's not good for the GDP
Lowering your heating bill is not good for the GDP

The resulting human happiness? Who cares, it's not good for the GDP

So sorry but F ** ck You GDP sh * t !!

And everyone, including decreases, still refer to GDP !?! Band of deb ... les ... This is where we should start! RAB OF GDP !! There are other much more human indicators and there is no question of decreasing it is a question of happy sobriety!


https://www.econologie.com/pib-developp ... on-menage/

economy-finance / GDP-growth-and-ecology-why-ca-blocks-t4046.html

sustainable-consumption / social-and-personal-well-being-indicator-in-europe-t7186.html


Sorry I have a grudge against decreasing since the sect affair while the sectarians, it is them! The bobo green college teachers paid 10 times more than most people per hour!

Most of you haven't seen this old case, but it's worth thinking about poo..huetes ...
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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 11/07/21, 13:30

Christophe wrote:A road accident is good for the GDP
Burning car is good for the GDP
A natural disaster is good for the GDP

Bof ... It's the flow upwards (Ahmed, if you read us ...) that enriches the private sector and it is the public that pays off. The social cost, it's called. Paying taxes, taxes, enriching the big ones to have the right to over consume with crumbs, I'm full of it ...
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by Christophe » 11/07/21, 13:37

So we agree ... right?

I completed my answer ...
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