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by izentrop » 02/02/16, 10:11

fabio-gel wrote:Is it a problem of reliability in time?
It is very likely given the thermal constraints.
What is your average production over the winter months and the power of your panels.
Perhaps wind power would have been more profitable for you, if you were not too far from the sea?
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by Gaston » 02/02/16, 11:15

fabio.gel wrote:It's true that the Stirling does not run the streets.
Is it a problem of reliability in time?
Is it a question of power output from the system that is limited?
The problem is that a powerful and efficient Stirling requires a very high manufacturing quality.

To exceed the yield of photovoltaics, the cost is much higher.

In addition, a solar Stirling requires a concentrator and therefore a tracker to follow the movement of the sun.
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by Obamot » 03/02/16, 01:02

Ditto for the C-PV, so while to do ...

izentrop wrote:It dates a little your info and it concerns solar cells for concentration and measurement made in the lab. It was a stack of sub-cells. http://www.sciencesetavenir.fr/high-tec ... laire.html
Nothing new since?

It would be interesting to have a comparison in real, or better, a combined system or the thermal part would go through the stirling to be converted into electric.
Still a lot of unknowns : Cheesy:
If you followed me in my modest contributions, perhaps you remember that as it stands, no one can do better.

Even if first of all we should not joke with the stirling, there are good applications like that of Romanian, we cannot deny it. So his "generator-stirling " has its niche, no doubt. What I fear is the cost of maintenance. Compared to C-PV there is no photo.

To come back to the latter, it is not so much that the info dates that 1) it does not come from a lab but from the pre-industrial stage 2) that the info dates or not from the theoretical 46% there is always 37 % "effective", we can not do better, but if you want to compare with the poor performance of nuclear ?? !! 3) what we are especially expecting now (and it should not be too late) will be C-PVs free from noble materials to build them in large series, such as the return to certain forms of silicone in crystaline form, evolution of the good old silicon, and that in this field, I had also said that according to Sony's discoveries for C-MOS sensors, the future will be to differentiate the different wavelengths of photons, to capture them spectrum by spectrum ( RGB). We can therefore hope in the near future for a yield of 3x 20% = 60% gross WITHOUT C-PV! Then later 3x30% ... The ISE itself says it, they are going to deploy high efficiency and low cost sensors in this segment, that is their objective.

So, it's not so much that "it's old", that we rather expect new developments from the start, indeed, and for that we can trust the Germans ...

If you want a track, we will surely hear about it with Solar Impulse III (SI3), because the saga will not stop at SI2 ... Since if with the latter they had reached 12% average efficiency (diurnal cycle VS nocture), we can reasonably estimate that with 29% better they will be much less annoyed by the weather windows, since they will be able to fly much faster (but not longer because the physiological limits of the pilots obliges, these have already been reached !!) So at least travel longer distances in one go, or take advantage of better corridors with favorable currents, which they would not have taken in the current state, for lack of sufficient reserves ... So more security too (but let them finish their first round the world!)

We are also talking more and more about hybrid sensors: photovoltaic + infrared!

We should also go and see what he will say at the 12th C-PV Convention ....
http://www.cpv-12.org/home.html

PS: in the meantime, Hats off to Fabio-Gel for discovering this "nugget"! That we come back to the debate with the stirling
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by izentrop » 03/02/16, 08:42

obamot wrote: do not joke with stirling, there are good applications like that of Romanian, there is no denying it.
It depends on what you mean by "good".

With a workshop like that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6jGlio_8N0 and experience as a sheet metal worker, we have the means to do beautiful things and I join you, he is a genius.

More he did not choose the most profitable stirling system
proof https://youtu.be/KpjORBs3osE?t=40

Fun demonstration of the system chosen, easy to reproduce with cans and starting with its museum of gamma stirlings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj4nWhW1Kic

He mass-produces them now? https://youtu.be/I8QTgwyX0gY?t=35 :D
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by chatelot16 » 03/02/16, 10:12

for solar the pahotovoltaic is too far ahead, the stirling has no chance ... and the photovoltaic continues to progress!

in solar, the heat engine is not out of the game in very large power, but by choosing a heat engine whose power price ratio increases with large power: engine with turbine fan: the bigger it is the more economical: that's why there are large solar steam power plants

there is no miracle, when a technique is good there always ends up being realizations

Unlike the steam engine, the stirling is not favorable for large dimensions.

At the time when stirling was used in competition with steam engines it was only successful for small power

for heating with cogeneration the solution that works is a steam engine, or gas generator and internal combustion engine

these are not solutions to invent since it has already worked for a long time

I have a big preference for the gasifier solution because it makes a combustion much cleaner than fire in a boiler, and it is simpler to realize because gasoline engines are already available
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by fabio.gel » 06/02/16, 21:06

izentrop wrote:thanks also to the joint use of the linear alternator


Hi izentrop

Just another old toolmaker who has it in his hands.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcppEhp2RfA
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by Christophe » 06/02/16, 21:12

Yeah! Bravo Fabio you are the first to have inserted a video (excluding beta testing) on ​​the forum!

You are entitled to a LIKE for this :)
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by izentrop » 06/02/16, 23:12

fabio.gel wrote:
izentrop wrote:thanks also to the joint use of the linear alternator

Hi izentrop
Just another old toolmaker who has it in his hands.
Of course, but when asked What is the power output?, He replied: I don't think so. Beautiful museum piece

Here ! no text size?
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by Christophe » 06/02/16, 23:23

If you have the size ... on the 1st line :)

The cool thing, as you can see, is that you can combine the effects!
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by chatelot16 » 06/02/16, 23:34

the linear alternator is no progress

turning in a normal alternator whole feraile and all copper is used to 100% ... in a linear alternator lUsing oscillating motion of matter is much less optimized ... part of the magnetic loop portion uen in front of anything on the other

the rotary aternatif conversion crank rod is almost perfect ... the kinetic energy end position is perfectly recuperated in the flywheel ... in the linear system recuperattion the kinetic energy at the end of stroke is less good: over loss
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