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by Macro » 26/12/14, 11:27

All specification sheets of the various French petroleum products.
http://www.cpdp.org/qualit%C3%A9-sp%C3% ... it%C3%A9-0
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by Leo Maximus » 26/12/14, 19:33

The distributors set a price per kg for hydrogen at 700 bars.

For ENEOS, the kg is at 6,82 €. This is approximately the price also proposed by Air Liquide.

In the case of the Miraï Toyota, the full is therefore 29,33 € TTC, offering a range of 650 km. Let 4,51 € for 100 km. It's pretty competitive!

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by LaChanson7 » 28/12/14, 06:41

You are very nice to try the links in mp, thank you






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by Leo Maximus » 28/12/14, 12:25

LaChanson7 wrote:You are very nice to try the links in mp, thank you

At the moment, I only have Japanese links. They echo the announcement made the day before yesterday by ENEOS: "ミ ラ イ 満 タ ン 4300 円… 水 素 1 キ ロ 千 円 で" => Mirai, filling up with hydrogen at ¥ 4300 with hydrogen at ¥ 1000 per kilo.

ミ ラ イ = Mi ra i (in 3 katakana) Toyota's Miraï

満 タ ン = man tan (fueling a car)

水 素 = sui so (hydrogen) is pronounced "Swiss" but it has absolutely nothing to do with the Swiss : Lol: .

1 キ ロ = 1 kilogram

千 円 = sen in (thousand yen) the Japanese say "in" and not "yen". And "man" for ¥ 10000.

Here are links, but in Japanese. They resume the announcement of ENEOS the day before yesterday:

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/economy/201412 ... 50148.html

http://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXLASDZ2 ... 4A2TJ2000/

http://carview.yahoo.co.jp/news/market/ ... 6-carview/

http://www.itmedia.co.jp/smartjapan/art ... ws051.html

http://blog.livedoor.jp/dqnplus/archives/1822843.html

http://news.mynavi.jp/news/2014/12/26/150/

http://new24.blog.jp/archives/1016408786.html

The link (http://search.noe.jx-group.co.jp/bizasp ... n=&x=0&y=0) (to copy and paste) to download the report-2014-en.pdf file (JX2014.indd 100 pages in English). The ENEOS H2 service station network is on the 12 page.

IWATANI, competitor of ENEOS and supplier of Honda, had announced the hydrogen kg at 1100 ¥ last week.
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by I Citro » 28/12/14, 18:41

8) Thank you Leo Maximus for this documented information.

It is far from being so transparent in France.
But I will work with my interlocutors.
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by Leo Maximus » 03/07/15, 13:10

Five Toyota Mirai taxis, so electric to PAC Hydrogen, are now in service in Kitakyushu (South of Japan):

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by Leo Maximus » 03/07/15, 17:26

YouTube video of a ride in Toyota Mirai in Yokohama:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji0X_buSKwM

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At 2: 24, we stop at ENEOS (Japanese distributor) to put 0,53 kg of H2 for 615 yens TTC is 4,5 €.

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by Leo Maximus » 03/07/15, 19:38

It was missing the price of hydrogen per kg at 70 MPa (700 bar) at ENEOS: 1080 yen kg or 7,93 €.
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by I Citro » 06/07/15, 18:36

Knowing that Toyota evokes a consumption of 1kg from H2 to 100km, it gives:
7.93 / 1.5 is about the budget equivalent of a vehicle on
who would consume 5.3 liters at 100km of petrol at 1.50 € the liter ...

I add that a kg of H2 containing 33kWh energy, 7.93 € kg, this is 7.93 / 33 = 0.24 € / kWh is twice the price of the electric kWh (or oil) billed in France ...

The TESLA S has nice days in front of it because it consumes only 20kWh / 100km and each kWh is half cheaper, in the end less than 3 € / 100km ...
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by denis » 19/02/18, 19:27

citro wrote:Knowing that Toyota evokes a consumption of 1kg from H2 to 100km, it gives:
7.93 / 1.5 is about the budget equivalent of a vehicle on
who would consume 5.3 liters at 100km of petrol at 1.50 € the liter ...

I add that a kg of H2 containing 33kWh energy, 7.93 € kg, this is 7.93 / 33 = 0.24 € / kWh is twice the price of the electric kWh (or oil) billed in France ...

The TESLA S has nice days in front of it because it consumes only 20kWh / 100km and each kWh is half cheaper, in the end less than 3 € / 100km ...

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