I feel in your words a "value judgment" to minimize the value and interest of these vehicles, yet they are bought to save money and are aimed at people who drive a lot, we have traveled more than 18.000km per year with a single 106 electric (whose autonomy capped at 70km), we expect to drive at least as much with the e-up. Today, we did 140km on a single charge and passed the 5000km mark in 3 and a half months.elephant wrote:OK, let's say (these are not "long haul") 12.000 km / year for 10 years (to make an order of magnitude.
The batteries are given for 2000 cycles either if I table on 120km per cycle a possible mileage of 240.000km or double your estimates.elephant wrote:5000 € / 120.000 km = 4 cents / km, 4 euros / 100 km, the price of 2,6 liters of diesel. + 15 KWh, or € 1,65 / 100 km. (Night rate, assuming you have no PV)
This calls into question your calculations and the very idea of the cost of batteries which becomes irrelevant because we can then consider that their longevity will be greater than the rest of the car ...
The eternal cliché of autonomy is stupidity, like that of the 4x4 people carrier that allows you to do everything, and mainly flatter the ego of its owner ...elephant wrote:Therefore, 2,6 + 1,65 = 4,25 € / 100 km, i.e. the price of 2,8 liters of diesel / 100 km. OK, that's okay. I'm happy to have done the calculation (approximate, I agree, I did not account for the financing interest on the additional cost of the battery - easy 40% of its price in 4 years -) because the manufacturers seem discreet on the price of the battery still represents, agree, more than 50% of the price of a new small car (8500 €) and 40% of the price of "fuel".
Given the reduced autonomy, it is still transport inaccessible to the poor.
Autonomy is sufficient for all the daily journeys of 80% of households. Since we have the e-up, we charge it every other day on average ... Too little autonomy?
The savings made it possible to rent a minivan or a convertible for exceptional journeys ...
I am not rich, I just changed the calculation method, many poor people spend more than me on transport to travel less kilometers ...
I have 20m² of solar panels. They produce enough to drive 25.000km per year with the e-up. As for the cost of the batteries, I think they will survive the car and be able to recycle them to store my solar production. Renault and Nissan have thus planned the life of the batteries, I intend to take up the idea for my benefit.
This is why I am experimenting with their management with a very advanced BMS developed by a member of the forum...