Hi Math,
The inventor explains himself why it turns on his site ...
http://quasiturbine.promci.qc.ca/ETheoryQTConcept.htm
This is the image I was looking for and that I had read in his book, not easy to find in France (bookstore of Quebec in Paris)
It shows the resultant pressure forces on the blades. The forces at the joints are not represented and in any case pass all through the center, so are of no use to generate the rotary motion on all the 4 blades.
It is clear that this is a fundamental conceptual gap: not enough leverage !
This is seen very well in the radial / tangential decomposition it makes of the thrust (due to the pressure): the small arrows are the tangential ones, the only ones that produce the couple.
And again this position is the best because the diamond is maximum. The more square, the more it gets worse ...
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Hi, it's been a long time since I showed up ... I tell myself it's time!
Thank you Remundo for your last explanation, as they say "a drawing is always better than hundreds of words".
Well, I'm aware that I still haven't mentioned what I said I would do, ie the history of what is called "Quasiturbine" ...
Sorry I'm going to disappoint again, but I will not explain myself until tonight or tomorrow, I'm really busy (well not really ^ _ ^, but here I have to leave).
I would also like to discuss everything related to manufacturing solutions, materials used, etc. etc. I do not know much about it, but I think I have some opinion on the question, and I want to know more.
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Thank you Remundo for your last explanation, as they say "a drawing is always better than hundreds of words".
Well, I'm aware that I still haven't mentioned what I said I would do, ie the history of what is called "Quasiturbine" ...
Sorry I'm going to disappoint again, but I will not explain myself until tonight or tomorrow, I'm really busy (well not really ^ _ ^, but here I have to leave).
I would also like to discuss everything related to manufacturing solutions, materials used, etc. etc. I do not know much about it, but I think I have some opinion on the question, and I want to know more.
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Hello
So here, our anteriority study was based on the patents filed before those of St-Hilaire. Thanks to the website
http://ep.espacenet.com/advancedSearch?locale
Much information has been found on one of St-Hilaire's patents. mainly the number US6899075B2. Because when you file a patent, if there is an anticipation, it will appear on the patent ...
Strange thing (...) this patent in question is not really available anymore, it's a for another which replaces it in which is cited bcp less anteriority.
But I have a screen copy of what to see:
look at "references cited" ...
Regarding the early days of the concept, someone told us that the first patent filed dates back to the end of the 19eme century, but that is in fact a solution that would not work in reality. But we had not found any information about it.
With regard to patents concerning a deformable rotor system, here is a chronology:
1963 Pierre Magnenet, a Frenchman (No. FR1376285A, to search again here if you want it
1965 Andrew Novak (US3196854A1)
1967 - 1977 Alfred Jordan, German files various patents (in the disorder CH440832A5, DE1295569B1, DE1451764A1, DE1551118A1, FR2374512A1, US3295505A1, US3369529A1, US4181481A1)
1976 Martin Artajo Jose Ignacio a Spanish (CA999241A, also look at the other patents which he deposited, it is interesting and which reminds me of the one of St-Hilaire concerning the Quasiturbine with "trolleys")
In 1980, Jean-Pierre Ambert is applying for a patent application (FR2493397A1) which, it seems to me (tell me if I'm wrong?) Did not succeed because it has been presented previous anteriorities.
in 1986. , patent publication of an Italian, Contiero (WO8600370A1)
And then come from St-Hilaire, here
Small details, if you are looking for a patent on this site, you can click on "Original Document" and then "Save Full Document" to see it in full. Ex for the one from Andrew Novak
So here, our anteriority study was based on the patents filed before those of St-Hilaire. Thanks to the website
http://ep.espacenet.com/advancedSearch?locale
Much information has been found on one of St-Hilaire's patents. mainly the number US6899075B2. Because when you file a patent, if there is an anticipation, it will appear on the patent ...
Strange thing (...) this patent in question is not really available anymore, it's a for another which replaces it in which is cited bcp less anteriority.
But I have a screen copy of what to see:
look at "references cited" ...
Regarding the early days of the concept, someone told us that the first patent filed dates back to the end of the 19eme century, but that is in fact a solution that would not work in reality. But we had not found any information about it.
With regard to patents concerning a deformable rotor system, here is a chronology:
1963 Pierre Magnenet, a Frenchman (No. FR1376285A, to search again here if you want it
1965 Andrew Novak (US3196854A1)
1967 - 1977 Alfred Jordan, German files various patents (in the disorder CH440832A5, DE1295569B1, DE1451764A1, DE1551118A1, FR2374512A1, US3295505A1, US3369529A1, US4181481A1)
1976 Martin Artajo Jose Ignacio a Spanish (CA999241A, also look at the other patents which he deposited, it is interesting and which reminds me of the one of St-Hilaire concerning the Quasiturbine with "trolleys")
In 1980, Jean-Pierre Ambert is applying for a patent application (FR2493397A1) which, it seems to me (tell me if I'm wrong?) Did not succeed because it has been presented previous anteriorities.
in 1986. , patent publication of an Italian, Contiero (WO8600370A1)
And then come from St-Hilaire, here
Small details, if you are looking for a patent on this site, you can click on "Original Document" and then "Save Full Document" to see it in full. Ex for the one from Andrew Novak
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Hi Matt, nice looking!
There is also,
FR1386505A issued to Guy LAURENCIN in 1964
Here is the link uploaded on econology:
https://www.econologie.info/share/partag ... HkgT35.pdf
There is also,
FR1386505A issued to Guy LAURENCIN in 1964
Here is the link uploaded on econology:
https://www.econologie.info/share/partag ... HkgT35.pdf
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Matthedesigner wrote:In 1980, Jean-Pierre Ambert is applying for a patent application (FR2493397A1) which, it seems to me (tell me if I'm wrong?) Did not succeed because it has been presented previous anteriorities.
Absolutely,
Jean Pierre Ambert is also GIPA, and here is his website:
http://home.tele2.fr/gipa-s-team/Gipa.htm
where he explains among other things the genesis of his concept MRLD.
http://home.tele2.fr/gipa-s-team/Moteur ... if%204.htm
And he is now collaborating with a Grenoble miniPME (Pulswer) who wants to get started in the MRLDs (deformable diamond rotary motors)
http://www.consciencenergetique.com/fil ... t_0802.pdf
It's still a little stuffy as niche with the Quasiturbine ...
Finally, why not?
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Well seen! I remembered more of that one.
Are you the "econologist" who has looked a lot at the type of engine but who has ideas to make the concept more efficient? (Pascal Ha Pham, during e-mails for the project, told me about someone for whom this is the case)
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Are you the "econologist" who has looked a lot at the type of engine but who has ideas to make the concept more efficient? (Pascal Ha Pham, during e-mails for the project, told me about someone for whom this is the case)
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Remundo wrote:There is also,
FR1386505A issued to Guy LAURENCIN in 1964
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Remundo wrote:Absolutely,
Jean Pierre Ambert is also GIPA, and here is his website:
http://home.tele2.fr/gipa-s-team/Gipa.htm
where he explains among other things the genesis of his concept MRLD.
http://home.tele2.fr/gipa-s-team/Moteur ... if%204.htm
And he is now collaborating with a miniPME Lyonnaise (Pulswer) who wants to get started in the MRLDs (deformable diamond rotary motors)
http://www.consciencenergetique.com/fil ... t_0802.pdf
It's still a little stuffy as niche with the Quasiturbine ...
Finally, why not?
Yes, we had been in contact with someone from Pulswer, who had enlightened us quite a bit. Finally, it is even he, at the start of the project, who spoke of "MRLD" and not of "Quasiturbines" during email exchanges. It had intrigued us and after research, that's what really made us discover the genesis of the concept. And one of the first websites found then was that of Jean-Pierre Ambert
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