Mustang Mach 1, lower consumption?

Tips, advice and tips to lower your consumption, processes or inventions as unconventional engines: the Stirling engine, for example. Patents improving combustion: water injection plasma treatment, ionization of the fuel or oxidizer.
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by oiseautempete » 05/01/11, 14:36

dedeleco wrote:Disconnected is not without candles et without the cuts !!!
We must measure, but aspiring 4 times or 2 times less consumes much less and without compressions the friction is much lower!

the vehicle manufacturer (which has been marketed for some time) had a valve lift system! and injection cut on 4 cylinders concerned !!! do you take GM engineers for mentees?
The real economy was irrelevant compared to the disadvantages which led to the abandonment of the system ... and the choice..of a 6 engine smaller cylinders ... : Lol:
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by Alain G » 05/01/11, 16:40

oiseautempete wrote:Disconnecting several cylinders on a 8 cylinder is a perfectly stupid idea that has been tested by the controllers (4 cylinders disconnectable in town) and abandoned because completely ineffective to moderate consumption and very detrimental to the life of the engine:
When disconnecting cylinders, the friction remains and on a 8 cylinder which turns on 4 one loses much more than 50% of the power ...
The only effective way to reduce the consumption of a v8 carburetor especially when there is 2 carbus quadruple body is to pass it to the electronic injection: in the US there are several kits adaptable ... I knew a guy who had done that on a Corvette and he was consuming ~ 18L / 100 on average after the change (25L before)
When with a ford tdci of 90cv I do not see what you hope to gain on an engine which is already very economical ... adapt the way of driving, not by driving "grandfather" but by anticipating as much as possible and by driving "sunk" allows to make substantial savings without dragging on the road: when I knew my wife she had a powerful car and its consumption of 13L / 100, when I was driving, the average was the same but it only consumed 10L / 100 ... she ended up learning to do the same ...


Hi Bird!

You are in the field my friend!

Chrysler has a 8 cyls 5,7 liter that disables 4 and the economy is up to 20% which is not commonplace and it works even on the highway and not only in town!
GM and Honda offer the same system copied on Chrysler!

All still use it today!
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by Alain G » 05/01/11, 16:47

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31,6 liters is way too much for this car, 22 liters would be more normal!

A good tuning would be de rigueur, tip, carburetor and additive in the oil such as a Winn's in the engine and transmission will improve performance!
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by oiseautempete » 05/01/11, 18:22

Alain G wrote: Hi Bird!

You are in the field my friend!

Chrysler has a 8 cyls 5,7 liter that disables 4 and the economy is up to 20% which is not commonplace and it works even on the highway and not only in town!
GM and Honda offer the same system copied on Chrysler!

All still use it today!


Uh, slang from across the Atlantic is a "flop" over here ...
Just a small note: if BMW, Mercedes Benz and Audi, which have a nice set of V8 and more, do not use this disconnection system of cylinders is that they have a good reason ... probably because they do not have the primitive mechanics that prevail in the USA ... and that their engines are less greedy with all the cylinders running ... : Lol:
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by Alain G » 05/01/11, 18:48

Bad! There is a market here for cars that you say primitive!

You have evidence of the best performance of the European because it consumes as much and even more for the same cubic capacity according to all consumptions!
http://oee.nrcan.gc.ca/transports/outil ... t-2009.pdf

Obviously you lack information on what is going on overseas!

Do a little reading and stop thinking that the Americans are overwhelmed!

The electronic fuel injection (gasoline) was developed by AMC and then by Chrysler which was sold right to Bosch in the 50 years!
Chrysler had the first control module of all electrical components from 1989 well before Merdeces and BMW and all the others!

Electronic ignition, electronic automatic transmission and so on !!!!!!
Chrysler> 2002 V8 Maintenance Free Chain Overheads
For my part I have a V6 3,5 liters that has nothing to envy your 6 cylinders on all points!

Without a grudge, my friend! 8)
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by Flytox » 05/01/11, 18:53

We talk about poultice on wooden leg ...... an old and poorly thought engine is totally unsuitable for fuel economy will never do anything good / acceptable neither in consumption nor in pollution.

Thank you for stopping this machine, put it in the museum where it should have its place (American delirium section) and circulate with something more responsible : Mrgreen:
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by Alain G » 05/01/11, 18:58

Flytox wrote:We talk about poultice on wooden leg ...... an old and poorly thought engine is totally unsuitable for fuel economy will never do anything good / acceptable neither in consumption nor in pollution.

Thank you for stopping this machine, put it in the museum where it should have its place (American delirium section) and circulate with something more responsible : Mrgreen:


Hi Flytox!

Ferrari, Bentley, Jaguar and others are they not delusions but to the European?
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by oiseautempete » 05/01/11, 19:26

Alain G wrote:Obviously you lack information on what is going on overseas!

Do a little reading and stop thinking that the Americans are overwhelmed!

The electronic fuel injection (gasoline) was developed by AMC and then by Chrysler which was sold right to Bosch in the 50 years!
Chrysler had the first control module of all electrical components from 1989 well before Merdeces and BMW and all the others!

Electronic ignition, electronic automatic transmission and so on !!!!!!
Chrysler> 2002 V8 Maintenance Free Chain Overheads
For my part I have a V6 3,5 liters that has nothing to envy your 6 cylinders on all points!

Without a grudge, my friend! 8)

Question info you have updates to do : Cheesy:
The first electronic injection appeared in 1967 at Bosch (D jetronic first mounted on MB, BMW and Porsche then on the Citroën DS in 1969), before it was absolutely impossible to manufacture an electronic injection because the integrated circuit electronics did not exist ... knowing also that Bosch is the only manufacturer of electronic injector valves in the world ...
The mechanical fuel injections, that yes it exists since the 30 years, but nothing American either there dedant, still German: 109 1938 direct injection multi-point engines from 1941, but no allied aircraft has had injection of this type (only a monopoint very simplified from 1960), on auto there were the indirect mechanical injections Lucas and kugelfisher in car of series (since XNUMX), in the USA the injections were used only in competition (indianapolis) never in series, until proof of control ...
The American V6 even the most recent are still sharply criticized both in France and Germany for their excessive consumption compared to the most modern European engines, so there is no need to boast ... and the Chrysler, which does not consainet too much, it was a lot of engines ... Mercedes Benz (it was the case of those sold in Europe because the others are sinkholes ... : Lol:
The "module of electrical components" I think you mean multiplexing ... many will say that it was a poisoned gift, well, a gift is saying a lot because the Concorde was already multiplexed, with electric controls, air inlets with variable geometry and carbon brakes and it made its first flight in 1969 ... oh yes, the Americans, at the height of their phenomenal technical superiority, had a terrible time developing the air intakes of the XB70 walkirie then the B1 (which was worth its weight in gold), copied the technical solutions developed for the "old" concorde: it will therefore have been copied by both the Soviets and the Americans, this aircraft built by 2 "dwarf" states that are France and Great Britain ...
just my 2 hundred as they say there .....
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by Flytox » 05/01/11, 19:48

Alain G wrote:Hi Flytox!

Ferrari, Bentley, Jaguar and others are they not delusions but to the European?


Absolutely, delusions remain delusions. The idea was that Americans have democratized more these delusions than others. For us European, when we will get lost there .... we enter the empire of the car ...... not sure that it is very caricatural to say that they built their country for / around of the car. : Cry: : Shock: : Evil: : Mrgreen:
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by Alain G » 05/01/11, 19:59

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The first commercial electronic fuel injection (EFI) system was Electrojector, developed by the Bendix Corporation and was offered by American Motors (AMC) in 1957 [7] [8]. A special muscle car model, the Rambler Rebel, showcased AMC's new 327 cu in (5.4 L) engine. The Electrojector was an option and rated at 288 bhp (214.8 kW) [9]. With no Venturi effect or heated carburetor (to help vaporize the gasoline) AMC's EFI equipped engine is more powerful and more efficient than ever. 500 rpm quicker [6]. The Rebel Owners Manual describes the design and operation of the new system [10]. Initial press information about the Bendix system in December 1956 by a price bulletin that pegged the option at US $ 1957, but due to supplier difficulties, fuel-injected Rebels would only be available after June 395 [15]. This was the first production of EFI engine, but Electrojector's teething problems were only pre-production cars, so they were always sold out [11] and none were made available to the public [12]. The EFI system in the Rambler was a more-advanced setup than the mechanical types then appearing on the market and the engines ran fine in warm weather, but suffered hard starting temperatures [13].

Chrysler offered Electrojector on the 1958 Chrysler 300D, Dodge D500, Plymouth Fury, and DeSoto Adventurer, arguably the first series-production cars equipped with an EFI system. It was jointly engineered by Chrysler and Bendix. The early electronic components were not equal to the rigors of underhood service, however, and were too slow to keep up with the demands of "on the fly" engine control. Most of the 35 vehicles originally so equipped were field-retrofitted with 4-barrel carburetors. The Electrojector patents were subsequently sold to Bosch.

Bosch developed an electronic fuel injection system, called D-Jetronic (D for Druck, German for "pressure"), which was first used on the VW 1600TL / E in 1967. This was a speed / density system, using engine speed and intake manifold air density to calculate "air mass" flow rate and thus fuel requirements. This system was adopted by VW, Mercedes-Benz, Porsche, Citroën, Saab, and Volvo. Lucas licensed the system for production with Jaguar. Bosch superseded the D-Jetronic system with the K-Jetronic and L-Jetronic systems for 1974, though some cars (such as the Volvo 164) continued using D-Jetronic for the following several years.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_injection

I speak well of electronic injection and not mechanical!
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