Simplistic test: Ionize the intake air of an engine

[elephant]

complement to my intervention:

http://www.lenntech.com/fran%E7ais/ozon ... rietes.htm

it is very likely that, in sufficient quantity, the presence of ozone in place of oxygen boosts the reaction with the fuel.

But 2 questions arise:

1) will the metal of the motor really like?

2) do we not risk seeing the NOx concentration increase?

[Christophe]

I speak a little about ozone as a "depollution" in heat engines as an operating hypothesis of the pantone in my 2001 report.

engineer's report on pantone engine

[Bougonnator]

Hello,

Sorry for not looking more often and for not responding faster.
It is the Picasso 1,8 petrol - 117hp and green color.

For Bob_Isat: no, the assembly is in the kit section, it is this one
link

I persevered and modified the assembly:
- I added a AVEC system as seen on the Quanthomme site,
- I welded rigid wire in 1,5mm² on the electric wire which bathes in the air duct. I took 5/6 pieces which I soldered like barbed wire. The main wire goes around the conduit.
- I put a switch on the throttle valve to avoid discharging the battery when the engine is stopped (drawback, do not idle),
- I pushed the potentiometer all the way.

In the past, each time this car went to Citroen, it consumed a little more. She had hesitations at the start which since the assembly disappeared completely.

On several full of small cold and fluffy journeys, the consumption went from 11,5 to 9,8 L / 100km according to the on-board computer which is quite reliable (but that's okay since it's is a comparison). I have not made separate measurements WITH and / or ionizer so I do not know who brings the gain in consumption.
On the other hand, the ionizer brings a very clear gain in couple and flexibility and made lose power at high speed. With AVEC, you can compensate for this loss, or maybe even win.

I tried on another car (with and ionizer): a Toyota Camry 2,2 petrol 130hp. The average consumption is 10 L, and 11 to 12 L on the highway at 130/140 and pulling a trailer. I tested over 2800km. The gains in flexibility and torque are less obvious.
On the other hand, the consumption goes from 10 to 8,5 on a small road in fast ballad rhythm, 5 people inside; and at 10/11 L on highway with trailer loaded like a mule and almost respecting the limitations.
Do I improve the score since I know I am doing a consumption measurement? Certainly because it is possible to shift with one more gear in the same place and at the same speed without the engine rattling.
The behavior did not satisfy me, I will soon try to change the direction of the air flow from the AVEC, with different positions.

On both cars, once the car has started, I manage to release the accelerator completely without losing much speed. There is also a lot less engine brake.
I don't think the system makes ozone given its low power. On the other hand, when the engine is hot, the exhaust gases no longer smell (or less).
If I have a little time during the overhaul (in a few months), I will do a test on the bike to validate. The engine being sharper than a car, the results will certainly be easier to characterize. Besides, on a motorbike, I always make the same trip to go to work.

There, there, you know everything.

Bougonnator.

[elephant]

well, well, it is already better, but it is still very vague.

we would have preferred to be convinced, separate tests.
I am tempted to think that it is the VSLA that does the job.

have you ever tried to see if cutting / switching on the ionizer changes the idle speed?

if so, you'd better forget your switch on the throttle valve and simply plug in after the ignition key: the consumption of the gadget is so low.

I went to see on the Conrad site, it talks about well being: of course, if the car feels better!

[Other]

Hello Elephant

Could you elaborate on the ionized probe?

Pay attention to the section of the wires with which you hope to produce an ionization: they must be very thin (1 / 10th mm), or else tinker with a hedgehog with pins. (chrome steel welds fairly well to electronic soldering iron

)
I thought that a simple tip on a spark plug electrode was enough! although the module that I took (honeywell) is fairly powerful, it fed a series of small wires stretched in front of the electrostatic filter, but to accommodate this at the outlet of the reactor poses many problems of insulation and space , the first sessaies I sent a high voltage arc directly to the end of the rod, Arc rectified in DC (I tried both polarity)
I control the voltage by an open arc in an external arrester the diodes resist better (it comes from old TV on the flybak)
To make it work in 110volt I take a 400watts inverter
The herison part interests me, it will be necessary to make an additional volume at the end of the reactor the hedgehog must be far from the mass and resist a certain temperature (at least the insulator) this is why I use long candles modified)
With a simple 12mm long AC arc there is a small gain I could lengthen the arc, I have 30 volts available but it would be necessary to insulate the internal tube (achievable with armored aircraft candle tubes)

Andre

[Bougonnator]

Hello,

I don't deny that with AVEC doing a lot of the work. I think the two systems are complementary. In what proportion, I do not know.
Besides, if someone feels like trying it out ... it's not forbidden. The investment in time and money is very reasonable. On a fuel oil for example, or an uncatalysed petrol car to see something different.

Switching the assembly on and off does nothing because they are Euro standard injection systems (III I believe) crammed with sensors in OBDII protocol, and the idling is stable because it is better compensated than on a carburetor or mechanical injection engine or first generation electronic control. The test is therefore not convincing: there is a speed change from 850 to 950 rpm in less than a second, then the speed drops. However, these fluctuations are not uncommon when a power consumer (air conditioning, fan, etc.) starts up or goes out.
The goal is to make the car feel better. If she is happy too and for her 100Mkm I offer her an electronic assembly. It's a small gift but it makes him so happy ...
Yes I know, I'm going out ...

[elephant]

engine regulation, I see.
I will know more in a year when I finish my year of automotive electronics.
this jump from 850 to 950 laps is interesting: would you like to do the test several times, in a stable state (hot engine)
even if the regulation intervenes (always with a little delay, which is normal,) it's a good sign

I appreciate your attentions for your car. I hope you are also attentive with Madame.

[Targol]

I appreciate your attentions for your car. I hope you are also attentive with Madame.

Yes, but it is not because we are kind and attentive to our partner that we consume less

[lio74]

Hello,

I don't deny that with AVEC doing a lot of the work. I think the two systems are complementary. In what proportion, I do not know.
Besides, if someone feels like trying it out ... it's not forbidden.
...
...

Hi everybody

this little system looks very nice
it gives me an idea ... it can be complementary for the pantone too
I have already seen, in particular on a tractor, a cone of perforated sheet metal or iron filings added to the air intake and connected to the battery (on the terminal + it seems to me)
and the subject has already been discussed on the forum... but I haven't found where (sorry)

if someone has a pantone that works why not test this contraption at the inlet of the bubbler or the air filter

I await your reactions from acidus experimenters

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[Other]

Hello,

I don't deny that with AVEC doing a lot of the work. I think the two systems are complementary. In what proportion, I do not know.
Besides, if someone feels like trying it out ... it's not forbidden.
...
...

Hi everybody

this little system looks very nice
it gives me an idea ... it can be complementary for the pantone too
I have already seen, in particular on a tractor, a cone of perforated sheet metal or iron filings added to the air intake and connected to the battery (on the terminal + it seems to me)
and the subject has already been discussed on the forum... but I haven't found where (sorry)

if someone has a pantone that works why not test this contraption at the inlet of the bubbler or the air filter

I await your reactions from acidus experimenters

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Classes available every day from Nine AM to Twelve midday.
Is it electrostatic cone you want to talk about?
this is the one i tried on my chervrolet engine
it's just an insulated wire cone connected to the positive, I tried high voltage DC and I did not notice anything amazing
the bebel ended up on the job, if I don't find something measurable after a few tests I move on to something else.

Andre