electrolysis improved

[jonule]

ok that's it!
you already have to put 2 or 3 photos, it's easy to post if I do that to you;
then describe a little the path that you followed, why this solution + another etc!

you will make happy

[Capt_Maloche]

numbers ! numbers !

[Misterloxo]

There is a bit of activity it seems ... it's cool

I'm not stuck in electronics enough ... but I read and re-read some docs, the conclusion that imposes on me is always the same and it has also been advanced by others (Capt ...) :

in a conventional electrolysis, a CURRENT (continuous or pulsed) is sent into a cell ...
we will be TOULOURS limited by the law of Faraday that we are many to have experienced (in particular nlc).
To improve the efficiency of this kind of devices, one can intelligently arrange the cell as in the case of the 7-Cells or Archie Blue (half bubbler-mid electrolyser).

- in a super-efficient lysis ... it's harder to describe what's going on.
It is clear that the most advanced experimenters seem to have some things in common:
* they send in the cell a potential difference - HIGH VOLTAGE POTENTIAL dixit Meyer - (so electric field eh Capt ...)
In other words, no current is sent into the cell (isolated electrodes, the water acting as a dielectric ..., breaking in of the cell ... all for the same purpose).

For example, this is the path taken by Aaron on some forums or David Wenbert.

Link on Aaron: http://waterfuel.100free.com/wf_meyer_aaron_qiman13.html

Link on David's interview:
http://waterfuel.100free.com/wf_meyer_h2earth.html

With comments by David Wenbert that I find very interesting:

- David Wenbert: Yes, properly constructed, according to what we know now, the water fuel cell will consume no current. It WILL PRODUCE net current. What's actually happening there is, you're achieving dielectric breakdown in the water, over and over again - doing it with voltage. You're not going anywhere. When the voltage spikes a certain magnitude, it forces dielectric breakdown. If no current is entering in the cathode (which Meyer's cathodes were insulated, by the way), the electrons are ripped from the water to fill the holes in the anode. And as you pull out electrons out of water, water molecules break down. First, you lose their electron, and then you have disassociation when they lose 2 electrons. And that's what happens in the water fuel cell - over and over again. And all those electrons build up, and they're drawn off by what Meyer called the electron extraction circuit. And, so you're getting DC CURRENT OUT OF water, and that electron extraction circuit - in direct proportion to how much gas you produce. Now, if you want more gas, you need it, it's more current, and vise-versa.
[...]
- David Wenbert: [...] - the simplest depiction of all of this is in a document that was released on July 27th, 2007, by Patrick Kelly. Patrick Kelly, as you know, is the editor of The Practical Guide to Free Energy Devices, which is now hosted at http://www.panaceauniversity.org And his document - Number D3, (and it's easy to find at www.panaceauniversity.org), that document goes into various similarities between the Bedini motor, the Tesla switch, and the patent by Harold Aspden (the British physicist). On pages 25-36, of which descriery document, you see a walk-through of the Tesla switch, which John Bedini first presented at the Tesla Centennial Symposium in 1984. But, you'll see what the show is doing just like the Tesla switch circuit works between 4 batteries - keeping the batteries charged, while you draw off a load. The more load you draw off, the faster the batteries charge. It's completely the opposite of a normal electrical circuit. It depends on the switching. But that is the single, simplest embodiment of this main theme. And what's going on in that Tesla Switch was just a handful of transistors and capacitors. What's going on in that Tesla Switch is the same thing we're seeing in the water fuel cell, it's what Joe Newman's motor does, it's what John Bedini's motors do, it's what the MEG does - in the final analysis. Now, Joe Newman uses, what is in effect, a rotary mechanical switch - his commutator. And Newman's switch is the secret to the Newman energy machine. The coils and the magnets are amplifiers. That's not where the magic happens. It's happening in the switch.

It would be cool if the most rigged in electro could examine this way.

Good luck to all ...

[jonule]

that's what I thought from the beginning: there's genius tesla below that comes boosting everything!
everything about the "tesla switch":
http://web.archive.org/web/20060918035711/http://www.icehouse.net/john34/tesla.html

as for the generator muller, we leave the old systems, or we improve them, here it would be the same for Mr Faraday ...

[jonule]

the missing images of the doc are here:
http://www.icehouse.net/john34/batt3.jpg
http://www.icehouse.net/john34/swc.jpg

[Obelix]

Hello,

For my part I get a consumption lower than 3Wh / liter with a pulsed current at low voltage:
Voltage 7 Volts / cell
Pulse of 300 nanoseconds all 22 Khz
KOH additive
If someone wants to test ......

Obelix

[Misterloxo]

Hello,

For my part I get a consumption lower than 3Wh / liter with a pulsed current at low voltage:
Voltage 7 Volts / cell
Pulse of 300 nanoseconds all 22 Khz
KOH additive
If someone wants to test ......

Obelix

Same (with the ladle) with 7-cells and KOH ... (tests in 2006!)

Input: 30 A under 12 V is 360 W
Output: 2 L / min is 120 L / h
Ratio: 3 Wh / l

Obviously, it's not my alternator who spits that ...

Photo 1: The outer plates (acrylic 3 thicknesses glued together to obtain rigid plates)


Photo 2: Stainless steel plates with joints cut in a PVC film thickness about 5 mm


Photo 3: Assembled view


Photo 4: Assembled view


Photo 5: Flame arrestor


Photo 6: Flame arrestor and feeding tube


Photo 6: The different elements


Photo 7: Situation of elements for the test



Video: filling a bottle of 2L in about 1 minute (video time)
http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=2318853237057432570

Here ! You know everything but it starts to date ...

Good luck to all !

PS: it's a classic electrolysis! It has the merit of working but it is nothing transcendental performance level ... I think I've done the trick of this way ...

[elephant]

+ 1, dear Misterloxo:

it is a very nice achievement, but, in fact, 120 liters per hour, it is royally 10 grams of H2 per hour, it is insufficient to improve the speed of flame!

[hordels]

more handyman than licensed physicist (lack of space and gear), I read your posts with great interest for some time and I was wondering tonight where were your thoughts on the induction potential in high efficiency electrolysis systems Meyer type: in particular the confinement and the exploitation of the bubbles by the parallel use of the electrical device to produce useful ultrasonic frequencies (sonolysis).
I start looking for literature on the subject ...

[jonule]

simple: no one has used the meyer system namely several concentric tubes (6 I think) double stainless steel.

(It should be known that certain electronic elements of the card are conditioned according to the PHYSICAL form of the assembly ;-)

nor, above all, the TESLA SWITCH system, which acts like a charge pump and avoids consuming as much electricity!
after the not obvious manufacture of the transformer, still a door ...