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by Cuicui » 18/12/08, 19:52

C moa wrote:Why do you swear by organic ?? it has no taste !!!

Do you prefer to bite an apple that has undergone 24 treatments? Ah, the delicious taste of carcinogenic pesticides! Nothing like spicing up a dish! : Mrgreen:
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by Tiboshadow06 » 18/12/08, 19:59

Cuicui wrote:
C moa wrote:Why do you swear by organic ?? it has no taste !!!

Do you prefer to bite an apple that has undergone 24 treatments? Ah, the delicious taste of carcinogenic pesticides! Nothing like spicing up a dish! : Mrgreen:


An apple suffers 25 treatments : Cheesy:
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by Cuicui » 18/12/08, 20:26

Tiboshadow06 wrote:An apple suffers 25 treatments : Cheesy:

My mistake ! This is probably to add a little taste : Mrgreen:
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by C moa » 18/12/08, 22:37

Christophe wrote:a) to live on your vegetable garden, good luck ... it's called ... being a farmer :)
Since I had to plant 3 feet of cherry tomatoes last year, even with raspberries and strawberries, I would be hard pressed to feed my tribe. : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:
c) people often oppose ORGANIC to INTENSIVE agriculture and products of the food industry ... It's a shame because as you say there is a fair environment: peasant agriculture not necessarily organic. I prefer to buy in a local AMAP that an ORGANIC product which made 1000km ... sorry for the purists ...
You translate perfectly my thought, between organic and intensive agriculture, there is a significant maneuvering space where many farmers are engulfed.
Personally, I discovered AMAPs during a sky view retransmission. Unfortunately I had already left France so I couldn't "take advantage" of it. Nevertheless, I already had this approach and as soon as we could, we supplied ourselves to the producers.
It is clearly better and the poultry for example grew in the open field and between its place of slaughter and my plate there was less than two km ....

As for organic, I have nothing against obviously but let's stop thinking that only organic is good or good. We are all vaccinated against a whole bunch of crap (that's what made it possible to eradicate smallpox for example) and if we don't do the same with our animals, it can become dangerous for all.
Not to mention that there are regular cases that come out, casting doubt on the seriousness of monitoring this label.

d) By cons no agreement on the no taste, the best apples I have eaten in my life were organic (crunched at the farmer) ... after the supermarket bio under xelophane no thank you ( except milk and egg) ...

AMHA, the taste has nothing to do with the way of growing. If you have a tasteless variety of tomato, whether grown above-ground or organic, that will not change anything.
In the 49, we have a lot of apple producers and we have (re) discovered exceptional varieties either to eat or to make compotes ... Again, nothing to do with being organic or not. It's just that it's not offered elsewhere.

As Christophe said, the concern is that supermarkets do not leave us the choice of products. The tomato is round, red, beautiful and ... not good.

Another thing that surprised me when I arrived in Italy was the variety of vegetables. There are several types of tomato (a bit quirky, not always very red but often very good ...), their sizes are not standardized I think (some apricots were the size of peaches in France).

After this little moment of provocation / rebellion, I am a little hungry especially since we talk about food all the time. : Mrgreen:

Christine ?? Don't you have a little cookie lying around? Please? : Cry:
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by Christophe » 17/06/10, 11:25

Casino brand organic fresh goat cheese indicates the weight of CO2 on the label.

The box has been discarded for 1 moment, I would make a photo of the next one we buy.
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by oiseautempete » 17/06/10, 11:45

C moa wrote:As for organic, I have nothing against obviously but let's stop thinking that only organic is good or good. We are all vaccinated against a whole bunch of crap (that's what made it possible to eradicate smallpox for example) and if we don't do the same with our animals, it can become dangerous for all.


AMHA, the taste has nothing to do with the way of growing. If you have a tasteless variety of tomato, whether grown above-ground or organic, that will not change anything.


The animals are also vaccinated, it's even MANDATORY for dairy cows, so no need to boil fresh raw milk (I've been drinking it for years and I'm never sick) and I can tell you that the milk raw can be stored better than pasteurized milk (in the fridge of course), because pasteurized milk is very fragile ...
Organic products are not always "good", in particular processed products, because some manufacturers, under the pretext that it is organic, allow themselves to make shit, which is expensive in addition ... But organic is is generally healthy ...
Certain vegetables, tomatoes in particular, exist in a "tampered" version so that they are very red and firm and can be kept for a long time on the shelf, but are unfortunately most often tasteless ... On the other hand, try old tomatoes: quirky shape , quite expensive, but what a taste! and in addition they are quite resistant to diseases ...
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by Christophe » 17/06/10, 11:49

oiseautempete wrote:But organic is generally healthy ...


When it is still fresh yes, I have already seen "borderline" products on certain non-refrigerated organic shelves ... as well as in organic stores (mainly fruit and vegetables). The problem with the lack of flow especially ...

oiseautempete wrote:By cons try old tomatoes: quirky shape, quite expensive, but what a taste! and in addition they resist diseases pretty well ...


About old tomatoes, we planted a lot last summer (seed exchange with Delnoram), so for the taste yes !!

But for diseases I am less convinced: we lost 90% of our harvest (ok the year was not good and we badly ventilated but still ... not sure that it would have been so worse with hybrids. ..).

Cf: https://www.econologie.com/forums/parasite-s ... t8146.html
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by Christine » 17/06/10, 14:38

oiseautempete wrote:By cons try old tomatoes: quirky shape, quite expensive, but what a taste! and in addition they resist diseases pretty well ...


And what about "coeur de boeuf", an old variety that has been fashionable on supermarket shelves for 2-3 years but which no longer tastes good since it was cultivated by the food industry?
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by hic » 17/06/10, 16:36

Hi everybody
it looks like there is a seed monopoly or a blockage.

Non organic tomato for less than 2 € is 75% shit
Organic tomato € 4 is 50% shit
Garden tomato is 50% shit

The problem is the variety used

And we can generalize

to all productions: industrial, organic, gardening and
to all the plants produced: from vegetables to wheat

**** Everything we eat has followed the same process. ****

This is not only a matter of taste,
but nutritional content.

**** What if it had a direct impact on junk food? ****
Think about it! (especially if you have the luxury of gardening)

The biggest non-profit association with seeds for sale,
(can there be a bonus in biological diversity?)

DON'T CAUGHT THE TOMATO SEEDS, RESERVE THEM (to others)!
(The unique bag of seeds, guaranteed for life by "" GOD "")
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by Christophe » 17/06/10, 16:54

I didn't know we had a scatophagus on them forums... : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:
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