The Case of the Century: Warming up the Tribunal!

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Re: The Case of the Century: Warming up the Tribunal!




by Exnihiloest » 22/12/18, 19:25

RV-P wrote:- I will once again "cool down" your "smug enthusiasm" about the CO2!
- IPCC and all "related" scientists make a "fixette" on CO2 but they forget another component of hydrocarbons which is also a greenhouse gas: I named water vapor !
- A little chemistry to understand ...
* Let's take methane (CH4): if we burn it, we get 1 molecule of CO2 for ... 2 water molecules !
* If we take a heavier molecule (C5H12, for example), there is 5 molecules of CO2 for ... 6 water molecules !
- Now, I "soup sounds" strong steam more active for global warming than the CO2! Fossil hydrocarbons therefore produce more water vapor than CO2 (look at your muffler in winter!)! And that is what disturbs the climate (cyclones and storms more violent and more frequent) more than the CO2 because it is the water vapor which is the "engine" of the greatest climatic catastrophes today! Check!
- Cordially !

Absolutely. Water vapor is the main greenhouse gas. Steam contributes 60% to the planetary greenhouse effect, up to 90% if we also consider the clouds. Climatologists ignore ... until they find a way to accuse humans of causing increased water vapor ?! : Cheesy:
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by izentrop » 23/12/18, 01:07

Exnihiloest wrote:Water vapor is the main greenhouse gas. Steam contributes 60% to the planetary greenhouse effect, up to 90% if we also consider the clouds. Climatologists ignore ...
Do you believe ? : Mrgreen:
Carbon dioxide is not the only gas in the atmosphere to absorb infrared radiation emitted by the Earth, but it is its injection by humans in large quantities into the atmosphere which is the main cause of global warming. weather. Water vapor, methane, nitrogen oxides, ozone, are also greenhouse gases.
Water vapor contributes more to the greenhouse effect than carbon dioxide; it participates in the natural cycle of water, and multiplies by about 2 the action of carbon dioxide because the warming of the climate has the consequence of increasing its concentration in the atmosphere.
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by izentrop » 23/12/18, 01:18

Christophe wrote:
izentrop wrote:Chouard is not anti-Semite, he is a negationist of the Dieudonné clique, Alain Soral.
This statement smacks of defaming full nose !!? !!
So prove it, show us videos or official texts where Chouard talks about negationism like Dieudo or Soral ???
http://www.leparisien.fr/societe/defens ... 972728.php
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by Janic » 23/12/18, 09:48

I do not know Chouard, so without opinion, but this article of the Parisian gives no reference of antisemitism of the character.
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by izentrop » 23/12/18, 10:37

Janic wrote:I do not know Chouard, so without opinion, but this article of the Parisian gives no reference of antisemitism of the character.
You're right, an article by Mariane is more forgiving
In Chouard's thought, all the excesses of financial capitalism (inequality, poverty, disappearance of public services, destruction of the ecosystem) are linked to this original sin: to entrust power to representatives, an act which would inevitably be tantamount to depriving it of it. people.
It is also because fewer and fewer people are participating in democratic life.
“The big merchants, especially the money merchants have taken control of politics and it's a disaster, he said last year in a long interview for Thinkerview. For 200 years, the merchants have started to write Constitution, they therefore set up the election allowing them to designate the actors who would help them and who are therefore their "thing" writing their laws (...) ".
It is not false
he wants to form a constituent assembly drawn by lot, which would define new institutions through collective discussion. These should give pride of place to direct democracy: those responsible would be drawn by lot, could be dismissed at any time, and the people themselves would take the initiative to write the laws… thanks to the RIC, obviously. "Universal suffrage worthy of the name is: we should vote our own laws", argues Professor Chouard.
Quite democratic in fact and the government is studying it https://www.marianne.net/politique/vrai ... -la-france. https://www.huffingtonpost.fr/2018/12/2 ... _23623628/
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by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 23/12/18, 17:28

We deviate from the subject but before the RIC ALREADY the results of the classic REFERENDUM should REALLY be taken into account.

Because remember ... in 2005 to the question "Do you approve the bill which authorizes the ratification of the treaty establishing a constitution for Europe?" ", The" no "collects 54,68% of the votes cast against 45.32% for the yes ...

Result the technocrats made a sleight of hand validated by the Congress in Versailles in February 2008 under the Sarkozy mandate ...

But at the time the Yellow Vests did not exist and "In France, only the PCF and its allies of the future Left Front were upwind against this treaty, in which they saw a pale copy of the European constitutional treaty, refused by referendum, in 2005, by the French and the Dutch." (source Humanity https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... U2gRhWpXqq)

There must be other sources highlighting the reprobation of other political leaders, I will let you find them.

Regarding the RIC why not?
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by sen-no-sen » 23/12/18, 17:45

Le "warming up in court" is a little appendix of "climatic steps".
The problem here is linked to the naivety of the applicants, we have the impression that for them the reduction in the predation of industrial societies on ecosystems would be solely in the hands of our leaders.
It overlooks the complex cogs linking economy and lifestyle, ecology and politics.
For example, we often find in its movements defenders of women's rights, LGBT movements but also and more broadly of "the society of openness" typically resulting from the liberal libertarian movement, and therefore consecutive to very efficient.
Apart from what must be understood is that if we embarked on a society really focused on respect for ecosystems (therefore resilient) for real, the socio-economic changes would be gigantic and many of the struggles of our "green walkers for the climate" would actually be defeated.
More travel abroad, more American way of life, return to a more traditional society, probably the return of religion, more community way of life and return to a decision-making structure on a national, even regional scale .
I am not sure that most of them can actually live in the world they want to impose ... because obviously there is a not very rational mixture of concepts in the minds of his "ecologists".
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by Christophe » 23/12/18, 20:02

Janic wrote:I do not know Chouard, so without opinion, but this article of the Parisian gives no reference of antisemitism of the character.


Absolutely! This is a relay of gossip, unworthy of journalism!
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by izentrop » 23/12/18, 23:28

Energy transition: we must stop wasting!
A large number of our citizens have just expressed their concern at the lack of action taken in France to protect the climate, in a recent petition initiated by several NGOs. Indeed, although a very good student among the developed countries for the level of its CO2 emissions, France has taken a significant delay in their reduction vis-à-vis the commitments made at the COP21.

It has fallen behind because it has focused its efforts on electricity, particularly the replacement of nuclear energy by intermittent electric renewables (wind and photovoltaic). However, electricity in France causes very little greenhouse gas emissions because nuclear power and hydroelectricity do not produce them. Multiplying wind turbines and photovoltaic panels in France can not therefore be used to significantly reduce CO2 emissions. The lobbies defenders of this policy aim especially at the suppression of the nuclear power without worrying too much about the climate. Moreover, they everywhere claim that wind and photovoltaic are competitive: they no longer need subsidies! https://www.sauvonsleclimat.org/fr/?opt ... =component

It is high time to stop this waste.
Indeed, in the name of defending the climate (!), And under the pressure of the same people who today pretend to be surprised by the lack of results, governments have already, for the support of only renewable electric energies (via the CSPE billed to consumers):

- organized the levy of 37 billion euros, accumulated from 2003 to 2019 [1]
- to which are added the commitments made, for more than 108 billion over the following years [2],
which sums are used mainly [3] (84%) to finance wind and solar producers [4].

Or a total drain on consumers of more than 170 billion euros, because increased by 20% of ... VAT, and which does not take into account the presidential wishes to triple wind and fivefold solar!
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