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Re: The 150 proposals of the CCC




by ABC2019 » 23/06/20, 13:56

Paul72 wrote:
sicetaitsimple wrote:
Christophe wrote:I bet there is no advice of idleness and lowering our lifestyle by 50% ... if?

In short still insufficient blabla ... very ...


I haven't seen everything! But actually the passage from the legal working time to 28h weekly which was a proposed proposal has gone by the wayside : Lol: !


To give everyone a job, just remove the oil, it will compensate with twice human labor. And too bad for retirement. : Mrgreen:

well no it's not that simple, since if you delete oil and more generally fossils, you also delete a lot of activities that generate employment ...


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Re: The 150 proposals of the CCC




by Christophe » 23/06/20, 14:18

ABC2019 wrote:well no it's not that simple, since if you delete oil and more generally fossils, you also delete a lot of activities that generate employment ...


Come on ... and so are we going to complain about them?

How many oil workers in the world for what overall added value direct * created?

In one of the first article that Jancovici had posted on the internet, ie at the beginning of the 2000s ... he compared the value added per job ... ie the "wealth" (in the sense of GDP) created per employee ...

From memory the oil tanker arrived very widely (compared to 3rd place) ... in 2nd position ... after the real estate agents! : Mrgreen:

The article in question can still be found ... but I'm too lazy! : Cheesy:

ps: * and if we take the added value indirect, we will certainly reach 80 to 90% of world GDP : Cheesy: that is to say that all human activity that consumes oil (directly or indirectly ...) should be accounted for in short ... Oil rules the world!
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Re: The 150 proposals of the CCC




by izentrop » 23/06/20, 14:33

Do not forget that until the 50s, most of the work was in agriculture. Without oil, we lose slaves (dixit Janco), but robotization has made a lot of progress, the hoe or the hoe will remain a thing of the past.
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by GuyGadebois » 23/06/20, 14:39

izentrop wrote:Do not forget that until the 50s, most of the work was in agriculture. Without oil, we lose slaves << : Shock: :?: :?: :?: (dixit Janco), but robotization has made a lot of progress, the hoe or the hoe will remain a thing of the past.

And thanks to Izy, mass unemployment is the future. Long live the giant tractors and those who mount them (ah, I am told in the headset that there is not even a driver inside). Magic Izy still drooled.
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Re: The 150 proposals of the CCC




by ABC2019 » 23/06/20, 14:56

Christophe wrote:
ABC2019 wrote:well no it's not that simple, since if you delete oil and more generally fossils, you also delete a lot of activities that generate employment ...


Come on ... and so are we going to complain about them?

you pity whoever you want : Mrgreen: , my point is that if we remove the oil, we're not necessarily going to work a lot more because the volume of activity will also drop a lot - as before.
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Re: The 150 proposals of the CCC




by izentrop » 23/06/20, 15:06

GuyGadebois wrote:And thanks to Izy, mass unemployment is the future. Long live the giant tractors and those who mount them
And if you stopped lending me intentions that I don't have and if you thought intelligently instead of always attacking people and taking out your gritty and fascist jokes :?: 8) : Cheesy: ...
This kind of efficient system can be autonomous in energy and very economical in raw material ...

This is just the beginning of the possibilities that robotics offers us.
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Re: The 150 proposals of the CCC




by sicetaitsimple » 23/06/20, 15:21

izentrop wrote:
GuyGadebois wrote:And thanks to Izy, mass unemployment is the future. Long live the giant tractors and those who mount them
And if you stopped lending me intentions that I don't have and if you thought intelligently instead of always attacking people and taking out your gritty and fascist jokes :?: 8) : Cheesy: ...
This kind of efficient system can be autonomous in energy and very economical in raw material ...


It's a bad trial, Izentrop!
As everyone knows, Guygadebois only feeds his wood stove (the one that once made "Pouff") with wood that he saw by hand and split with an ax, (or only buys wood. certified hand sawn and ax split).
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Re: The 150 proposals of the CCC




by Christophe » 23/06/20, 15:33

GuyGadebois wrote:
izentrop wrote:Do not forget that until the 50s, most of the work was in agriculture. Without oil, we lose slaves << : Shock: :?: :?: :?: (dixit Janco), but robotization has made a lot of progress, the hoe or the hoe will remain a thing of the past.

And thanks to Izy, mass unemployment is the future. Long live the giant tractors and those who mount them (ah, I am told in the headset that there is not even a driver inside). Magic Izy still drooled.


Another free personal attack Guy ... do you want your 2nd 2nd warning? : Mrgreen:

Izy was not wrong on this one !!
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Re: The 150 proposals of the CCC




by Ahmed » 23/06/20, 16:11

What is interesting here is that if a society can do without slaves, this is not the case with civilizations (this term being taken in a neutral way, in any case without making it a necessary outcome) who have always had recourse *, since the fact that some exempt themselves from the productive functions while consuming widely supposes a levy which, at a certain level, requires leaving only the basic workforce the only quantity useful for its reproduction (hear: how it works). Oil overcomes these limitations by directly powering machines on the enormous fossil accumulation; this made it possible to eliminate direct slavery, because it was less efficient. The fact remains that new forms of slavery remain essential to the proper functioning of the entire system. The most paradoxical is that it is precisely the competition between machines and men that lowers the lowest wages, this until the progress in productivity no longer allows these people to live, since the wage equivalent to that of the production cost of the machine will have fallen below the subsistence minimum, even in these countries with low standards of living where these jobs are usually observed.
Another observation, which probably matches the words of Guy, is that the competition of sophisticated tools, in addition to eliminating these jobs which are the condition of survival in our society, tends to concentrate companies and therefore cuts the "candle" at both ends.

* Even the famous Athenian democracy!
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Re: The 150 proposals of the CCC




by sicetaitsimple » 23/06/20, 16:28

Ahmed wrote:Another observation, which probably matches the words of Guy, is that the competition of sophisticated tools, in addition to eliminating these jobs which are the condition of survival in our society, tends to concentrate companies and therefore cuts the "candle" at both ends.


Why don't you do your BRF with the mop? It is technically entirely possible! : Lol:
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