Prepare the exit ...

[eclectron]

No, it seems to me that it was another member of the forum and I wrote a little fast ...

I know, I already saw this nickname but if we have more right to humor then!

This brings to another consideration, which is that the damage done will be very difficult to repair, admitting, of course, that there is a real will to do it ...

After the collapse or something like that, saying otherwise unpleasant events, there should be only people who will have the will to repair.
For before, it is too late since it is already engaged and seen the unconscious controller.

Situation pretty badly summarized by Dominique Bourg

[Ahmed]

We must distinguish: the collapse is a good thing and a bad thing; it is a good one since it puts an end to the industrial destruction of the world, it is a bad one temporarily, because it implies a brutal reconversion into another way of life to which we are absolutely not prepared (if we put in a few communities * that have already adopted a way of life quite close to what would be desirable, in any case quite autonomous).
Part of the repair can be considered by simply stopping the destruction, other damage will be more problematic ...

* And others who have always lived like this and for whom it will represent the end of a threat.

PS: if it is placed in a non-anthropocentric perspective, it is an excellent deal for all living beings ...

[Ahmed]

I just watched the intervention of Dominique Bourg and I must specify one important nuance: when he explains that the thirty glorious had brought a greater comfort and less social inequalities, this observation is valid only inside our country, that these gains were obtained by increased external predation, in the form of neocolonialism. For the most part his analysis is difficult to rectify and I particularly appreciate the link he establishes between physical and social extractivism.
Perhaps it is a little optimistic about renewable energies, probably necessary condition, but not at all sufficient (it all depends on the context in which they would be deployed).

PS: I wonder what does François Ruffin with the movement of JL Mélenchon?

[eclectron]

We must distinguish: the collapse is a good thing and a bad thing

In fact the collapse often designates a collapse of the type of company but unfortunately also a collapse of the population suffers, if Meadows & Co have not made a mistake.
Yes it's good for nature, it's compost, but I'm not eager to go through this recycling stage.
You have to prepare for the exit, hence the title of the subject.
Here we do not really speak of solutions of exit, we remain on the report and prospective ...

PS: I wonder what does François Ruffin with the movement of JL Mélenchon?

Why ? too smart?
I see François Ruffin evolving, it is by forging that we become a blacksmith, it progresses quickly!
but I do not understand why you say that, JL Mélenchon is the only candidate who envisaged a recasting of agriculture towards sustainable.
the adequacy seems perfect.
I admit I do not follow JL Mélenchon closely so explain what you mean stp

[Ahmed]

I am not a specialist of Mélenchonfar from it, but if my memory is good, he had evoked during his campaign in the presidential elections a bright future based on AI and interstellar travel and had remained very discreet on the ecological issues ...

As for a possible evolution of F. Ruffin, I do not exclude it a priori and will rejoice if necessary.

[Janic]

I am not an expert on Mélenchon, far from it, but if I remember correctly, he had evoked during his campaign in the presidential elections a bright future based on AI and interstellar travel and had remained very discreet on ecological issues ...

he admits that indeed his vision of the future world neglected its ecological dimension. Today his speech has changed if only because his collaborators are much more sensitive on these subjects, so he has changed and we no longer hear him highlight iA and interstellar travel.

[Ahmed]

The political posture of Mélenchon (his ambition) perhaps dictates a strategic shift, but how could this be translated into the facts if he came to power and represented the economic powers?

[Janic]

Mélenchon's political posture (his ambition) perhaps dictates a strategic shift, but how could this be translated into reality if he came to power and represented the economic powers?

He would probably do like everyone else by sparing goat and cabbage; to know to save the maximum of jobs without unbalancing the industrial fabric. This can be seen with nuclear power, which no one thinks they can remove with a snap of their finger, but which can be gradually replaced by other non-polluting sources (nuclear pollution is understood). Currently it is bad start with the new fashion of the electric car that is an absurdity out of cities and tends to maintain a high nuclear production, for lack of replacement in ER.
But since the French are essentially conservative traditionalists (one is better than two you will have) the changes, even in case of emergency, can only be slow, very, very slow.

[Ahmed]

Saving goat and cabbage? No, it would be more correct to consider this as the famous lark and horse pie recipe ...

The new minister of ecology (sic!) Has given the introductory tone of his future action by declaring he wants to reconcile ecology and economy; as it is easy to understand which of the two is a priority and that it is necessary today to put a lot of bad will not to admit the total contradiction between these two terms, it is necessary to recognize that this poor one From Rugy it will be reduced to dishonorable shams * (for which he has been named).

* I do not doubt that he himself is aware of it, but it must be at the price of real discomfort ...

[eclectron]

If I trust the image I have of him, Melenchon is one of the few who would openly dare to oppose economic power. This is just an image ...
There is what is displayed and what one would actually do in a situation.
See the Macron / Melenchon meeting in Marseilles, where courtesy has taken precedence over the biting political discourse a few hours ago. Did he want to show that he was also capable of cordial human relations in the face of opponents, or he unpacked. We can be cordial but firm ...
It should not be forgotten that Melenchon is a Freemason which from my point of view denotes a certain conformity.
Admitting that he is elected, which I doubt since he scares the "grandmothers", since he is not as attractive as Macron (the worst is that it matters ...) it seems highly probable to me that the mastiff transforms into a poodle once in power.
At most it will create facilities to establish itself as a permaculturist or something and then life will continue its merry way to the wall.
I may advance, I do not know the details of his program, maybe it is more ambitious but it does not come alone to my ears, I should go looking for.
I do not see him firing Fidel Castro although some fear it.
We will always have conformists as president. We have what we are, that's why he will not be elected if he plays the revolutionary too much.
We must have nothing to lose to dare and at this moment, we are still comfortable, right?
Nomilically, if I look at my life today and compare it with 20 or 30 years ago, I feel I have the same standard of living, if not more.