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Re: More than 20 degrees in Antarctica ... but let's not change anything!




by Christophe » 16/02/20, 11:22

And Macron on the pebble sea of ​​ice ... who is doing his show against global warming ... but dares not speak of applied econology, of a shift in the economic paradigm!

Here's what it looked like on February 3:

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by eclectron » 16/02/20, 13:42

ABC2019 wrote:I don't see the connection with temperature measurements in Antarctica before the industrial age. The goal is rather to try to stop saying and writing anything, as soon as we start talking about RC.

Because stop saying or do anything, would have a (beneficial?) influence on CR?
For the planet, please stop immediately! : Mrgreen:

It's fun to play ABC2019 : Mrgreen:
You must be having fun, right?
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Re: More than 20 degrees in Antarctica ... but let's not change anything!




by ABC2019 » 16/02/20, 13:59

eclectron wrote:
ABC2019 wrote:I don't see the connection with temperature measurements in Antarctica before the industrial age. The goal is rather to try to stop saying and writing anything, as soon as we start talking about RC.

Because stop saying or do anything, would have a (beneficial?) influence on CR?
For the planet, please stop immediately! : Mrgreen:

I don't see a situation where telling anything would have a beneficial influence on the action to be taken.
And I don't think you know what is good for "the planet", even assuming that makes sense ...
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Re: More than 20 degrees in Antarctica ... but let's not change anything!




by GuyGadebois » 16/02/20, 14:09

ABC2019 wrote:
Christophe wrote:You want me or what?

I had to quote ABC! Not me! : Shock: : Shock: : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:

on Futurasciences, a weather specialist (though rather climatomaniac!) strongly doubts the record, which apparently has not been measured by an approved station

https://forums.futura-sciences.com/comm ... amais.html

If the WMO begins to report all the measurements that anyone makes on their balcony, the records have not stopped falling ...

You don't care about the world (again) and even if the temperature has not been more than 20 ° (since it is "not approved), the fact remains that these temperatures are abnormal in this region at this time. Météo France says so (measured on their balcony, no doubt):
Another absolute record, that of the maximum daily temperature on the continental Antarctica had been broken a few days before, on February 6, when it was 18,4 ° C at Esperanza, Argentine base near Marambio located at the end of the Antarctic peninsula. The previous continental record of 17,5 ° C on March 24, 2015 was also held by this station, where measurements began in 1961.
http://www.meteofrance.fr/actualites/79 ... ntarctique

Ps: Where do you think "Damien49" is a "weather specialist" (sic)? Is "weather specialist" a scientifically recognized diploma?
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by eclectron » 16/02/20, 14:22

ABC2019 wrote: I don't see a situation where telling anything would have a beneficial influence on the action to be taken.

I must have written a sentence too complicated to understand ... : Lol: : Lol: : Lol: let's go ...

ABC2019 wrote:And I don't think you know what is good for "the planet", even assuming that makes sense ...

I believe that you are touching your limits, so you have no idea what is good for the planet since you doubt that it makes sense.
We wonder what you are doing here, apart from harming it?

So you're going to play on the word planet, blah blah, "rocky cluster without a soul" blah blah, pretending not to understand what we're talking about when we're talking about a planet ...

What is it that bothers you in the fight against CR?
Today we don't have the 8 ° C forecast for 100 years from now, is that your problem? the present does not conform to what is planned for the future?
You do not realize it but that's what you say when you say the effects of RC today are hardly noticeable (which is moreover questionable)
Do you understand your lack of logic
(bullshit not being very polite, let's remain consensual ..)
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by ABC2019 » 16/02/20, 14:42

GuyGadebois wrote:You don't care about the world (again) and even if the temperature has not been more than 20 ° (since it is "not approved), the fact remains that these temperatures are abnormal in this region at this time. season.

Be careful, that does not mean that the temperature was not 20 ° C at the place where the thermometer was placed. It just means that to compare temperatures with decades apart, you have to be sure that they were taken under strictly analogous conditions, with no local effect that would have changed, and that there are therefore standards to be respected. , which were not here (the problem is not so much the 20 ° C measured here as the assertion that they have not been reached before!)
afterwards, abnormal situation, of course, the records are around 15 ° C while the average temperature is around 5 ° C in summer. So yes it is abnormal in the sense that it occurs rarely, but sometimes (especially in previous records), with the burst of a bubble of hot air from the north and a foehn effect. But to talk about 1 ° C difference in non-standard conditions, it doesn't really make sense.
Another absolute record, that of the maximum daily temperature on the continental Antarctica had been broken a few days before, on February 6, when it was 18,4 ° C at Esperanza, Argentine base near Marambio located at the end of the Antarctic peninsula. The previous continental record of 17,5 ° C on March 24, 2015 was also held by this station, where measurements began in 1961.
http://www.meteofrance.fr/actualites/79 ... ntarctique

On FS, I posted a graph showing that the trend of the past 20 years on the Antarctic Peninsula has been negative for 20 years. If the records wanted to say something about the trend, they should have been beaten around 2000, and more after. This is not the case, which proves that there is a natural variability which does not represent the trend.

Ps: Where do you think "Damien49" is a "weather specialist" (sic)? Is "weather specialist" a scientifically recognized diploma?

he looks like this, and is moderator on the forum climate info. and he is not at all a climatosceptic, on the contrary, he is a good little soldier in climatomaniaquerie - so when he expresses doubts, he is credible. More than when it doesn't :).
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by ABC2019 » 16/02/20, 14:48

eclectron wrote:
ABC2019 wrote:And I don't think you know what is good for "the planet", even assuming that makes sense ...

I believe that you are touching your limits, so you have no idea what is good for the planet since you doubt that it makes sense.
We wonder what you are doing here, apart from harming it?
So you're going to play on the word planet, blah blah, "rocky cluster without a soul" blah blah, pretending not to understand what we're talking about when we're talking about a planet ...

I'm not pretending, it's a reality. In fact we don't care about the planet, it's the human condition that we are generally concerned about.
What is it that bothers you in the fight against CR?

what bothers me is that I have not seen the proof that the means that it would take to effectively stop CR would not have much worse consequences on society than what we would like to avoid. . (like lowering emissions by 7% per year, to be limited to 1,5 ° C, I think it would be much more catastrophic than the 0,5 ° C that it is supposed to avoid compared to a target of 2 ° C).

And what also bothers me is that very few people seem to realize that this is the only real question to ask.

Today we don't have the 8 ° C forecast for 100 years from now, is that your problem? the present does not conform to what is planned for the future?
You do not realize it but that's what you say when you say the effects of RC today are hardly noticeable (which is moreover questionable)

if it is questionable, challenge it: how do you measure the societal impact of the effects of CR, and how much do you estimate it?
Do you understand your lack of logic
(bullshit not being very polite, let's remain consensual ..)

to tell the truth no, I don't see what is illogical to ask what is the real societal cost of CR, and what would be opposite the cost of the measures it would take to avoid it. On the contrary, it seems to me quite logical questions to ask.
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by GuyGadebois » 16/02/20, 14:55

ABC2019 wrote:he looks like this, and is moderator on the forum climate info.

Perfect! And me "I introduce myself my name is Henri, I would like to succeed in my life, to be loved. To be beautiful to earn money, but above all to be intelligent ... . "
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by ABC2019 » 16/02/20, 15:20

GuyGadebois wrote:
ABC2019 wrote:he looks like this, and is moderator on the forum climate info.

Perfect! And me "I introduce myself my name is Henri, I would like to succeed in my life, to be loved. To be beautiful to earn money, but above all to be intelligent ... . "

listen, I know him no more than that Damien, if you want to dispute what he says, create an account on FS and chat with him!

but be careful as soon as we talk about RC you have to be careful what you say over there ... : Cheesy:
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by eclectron » 16/02/20, 15:50

and ten from der
ABC2019 wrote:I'm not pretending, it's a reality. In fact we don't care about the planet, it's the human condition that we are generally concerned about.

This distinction makes absolutely no sense other than to introduce calculating and foul smelling cynicism.
Everything is absolutely linked on this planet, my boy!
To speak of anopheles is to speak of the human being, to speak of CR, it is to speak of the human being, to speak of the forest, it is to speak of the human being ... and vice versa.

ABC2019 wrote:what bothers me is that I have not seen the proof that the means that it would take to effectively stop CR would not have much worse consequences on society than what we would like to avoid. .

Because you are not considering the right solutions, it is not for lack of talking about it. Nothing forces you to follow the shit.


ABC2019 wrote:to tell the truth no, I don't see what is illogical to ask what is the real societal cost of CR, and what would be opposite the cost of the measures it would take to avoid it. On the contrary, it seems to me quite logical questions to ask.

What is illogical is to challenge anticipatory measures (which do not really take place in addition : Lol: ) on a CR which has not yet taken place significantly (1, x ° C).
On the pretext that today the consequences are not yet dramatic, there would be no need to do anything? : Lol:

Anticipating shit before it happens, do you understand what that means?

It means that it is not yet frankly there and that we can do something to soften its taste, in theory.

Because in practice, I reassure you, everything happens as if you were right, nothing is done to fight against CR (in a significant way) and we absolutely do not envisage really durable solutions, at the right scale .

The resolution would assume another saving : Mrgreen: and since there are only reasonable capital-responsible managers around the tables, nothing goes towards solving the problems.
it's business as usual, see Dennis Meadows : Wink:

Wake up!
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