CO2 and the reality of the greenhouse effect

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Re: CO2 and greenhouse effect reality




by Christophe » 10/03/20, 16:46

You copy a sentence ... that doesn't mean much! So assume!

Who tells you I don't know what that means?

I ask you to explain it in the context of this sentence!
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by Exnihiloest » 10/03/20, 17:19

Christophe wrote:You copy a sentence ... that doesn't mean much! So assume!
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Free affirmation. Or for you only.

It is the most significant sentence of the summary, which invalidates the assertion:
"Too much CO2, and there would be a point of no return and thermal runaway on the planet."

There is no worse deaf person than one who does not want to hear.
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by GuyGadebois » 10/03/20, 17:28

Exnihiloest wrote:
Christophe wrote:You copy a sentence ... that doesn't mean much! So assume!
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Free affirmation. Or for you only.

It is the most significant sentence of the summary, which invalidates the assertion:
"Too much CO2, and there would be a point of no return and thermal runaway on the planet."

There is no worse deaf person than one who does not want to hear.

Since this is a simulation, it invalidates that slab. Try again.
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Re: CO2 and greenhouse effect reality




by Exnihiloest » 12/03/20, 18:45

GuyGadebois wrote:...
Since this is a simulation, it invalidates that slab. Try again.

Climate skeptics share your opinion about the IPCC simulations. You are in progress.
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Re: CO2 and greenhouse effect reality




by GuyGadebois » 12/03/20, 18:47

Exnihiloest wrote:
GuyGadebois wrote:...
Since this is a simulation, it invalidates that slab. Try again.

Climate skeptics share your opinion about the IPCC simulations. You are in progress.

Except that it's not the same protocol at all. The IPCC is based on past and present reality. You are in decline.
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Re: CO2 and greenhouse effect reality




by Exnihiloest » 12/03/20, 18:59

GuyGadebois wrote:
Exnihiloest wrote:
GuyGadebois wrote:...
Since this is a simulation, it invalidates that slab. Try again.

Climate skeptics share your opinion about the IPCC simulations. You are in progress.

Except that it's not the same protocol at all. The IPCC is based on past and present reality.

Just like the scientists at the Max Planck Institute we're talking about:
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10 ... 19.1699387

You should read it before talking about it, it would have avoided your blunder.
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Re: CO2 and greenhouse effect reality




by GuyGadebois » 12/03/20, 19:04

Exnihiloest wrote:
GuyGadebois wrote:
Exnihiloest wrote:Climate skeptics share your opinion about the IPCC simulations. You are in progress.

Except that it's not the same protocol at all. The IPCC is based on past and present reality.

Just like the scientists at the Max Planck Institute we're talking about:
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10 ... 19.1699387

You should read it before talking about it, it would have avoided your blunder.

Really "real" ... : roll:
Translation:
In this model problem, the Earth is conceptualized as non-rotating with a homogeneous surface and generally covered with water, an initially homogeneous atmosphere, subjected to a homogeneous insolation.
I read it yesterday. : Cheesy:
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Re: CO2 and greenhouse effect reality




by Exnihiloest » 12/03/20, 19:18

GuyGadebois wrote:
Exnihiloest wrote:
GuyGadebois wrote:Except that it's not the same protocol at all. The IPCC is based on past and present reality.

Just like the scientists at the Max Planck Institute we're talking about:
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10 ... 19.1699387

You should read it before talking about it, it would have avoided your blunder.

Really "real" ... : roll:
Translation:
In this model problem, the Earth is conceptualized as non-rotating with a homogeneous surface and generally covered with water, an initially homogeneous atmosphere, subjected to a homogeneous insolation.
I read it yesterday. : Cheesy:

At the IPCC, too, it is a ladle. All climatic models are of this kind, that's why these scientists were published, the state of the art is like that.
And I saw worse, like a proposal to simulate the greenhouse effect in a cylinder! There we did not hear you criticize an oversimplified model. But it's the boss's, huh, so your finger on the seam. : Lol:
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by GuyGadebois » 12/03/20, 19:19

Exnihiloest wrote:At the IPCC, too, it is a ladle.

You just wallowed miserably. Your "also" shows that this simulation is bogus. : Cheesy:
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Re: CO2 and greenhouse effect reality




by Exnihiloest » 12/03/20, 20:35

GuyGadebois wrote:
Exnihiloest wrote:At the IPCC, too, it is a ladle.

You just wallowed miserably. Your "also" shows that this simulation is bogus. : Cheesy:

Free affirmation. If I wallowed, you would be unable to notice.

Obviously it's ladle.
"One establishes an artificial, three-dimensional mesh of the medium which one wants to model (for example: atmosphere) one virtually cuts out the geographical zone in meshes of several kilometers of side. The size of the mesh will condition the computing time.
We solve the equations inside each box to determine some parameters considered characteristic for the system as a whole. This can include average temperature and its distribution, seasonal precipitation, average humidity, vegetation cover, wind speed and direction, etc.
We program this whole mathematical model in computer language.
"
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modèle_climatique

Not only are there uncertainties on the raw data, but the raw data are processed before being used for the input parameters, and the evolutions being more or less chaotic, the parts of variations in input ultimately result in polar climates (quickly eliminated), or tropical. Even the cycle of clouds and rain is barely outlined in the IPCC models. And all the programming and the choice of parameters are made according to the prejudices that we already have on the climate since climatology is not a hard science. Ladle and twitch.
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