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Re: Behind a fight that seems fair, the IPCC and its donors are preparing a nightmare for us




by humus » 25/06/21, 15:34

ABC2019 wrote:
humus wrote:In fact you do not understand anything, it does not matter, it is up to you, not want to clarify point by point with a non-understanding, nor to answer stupid or irrelevant questions.

well, you fall into the category of "owiiii .... still" : Mrgreen:

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by Exnihiloest » 25/06/21, 16:49

humus wrote:...
ABC2019 makes fallacious remarks because they have the illusion, the appearance of the real thing but are not ...

Whether the comments are true or false is debatable.

If you consider them to be "spurious", it is because you are accusing the other person of being a liar. You are in the ad personam attack, therefore in a fallacy, which makes your speech irrelevant.

You also accuse your interlocutor of not understanding anything, when we do not see anything in the level of your answers which could make us suppose that you would be right against him and that even if it were the case, we would expect a demonstration of it at the height. of the charge. This confirms that you are indeed in the ad personam attack.

The debate, especially scientific, and the dialogue are obviously foreign to you. Your words are those of a grassroots activist, repeating the clichés of the subject, denying the objections which for you can only come from the opposing clan, a cheating and idiotic enemy.
It is unfortunately a posture that we see everywhere in these people who imagine that their camp is the monopoly of good and knowledge, in the denial of discordant facts, in intolerance of any contradictory idea, and in slander. and the insult of those who wear them.
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by ABC2019 » 25/06/21, 18:06

humus wrote:
ABC2019 wrote:
humus wrote:In fact you do not understand anything, it does not matter, it is up to you, not want to clarify point by point with a non-understanding, nor to answer stupid or irrelevant questions.

well, you fall into the category of "owiiii .... still" : Mrgreen:

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owiii, you too know how to please : Lol:

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by izentrop » 25/06/21, 23:08

The reporter asked the right questions.
It deserves to be known this gentleman. The government needs realistic people like him.

If that could make our two thieves think so that they stop their smoking ... no chance :frown:
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by ABC2019 » 26/06/21, 00:25

ah thank you Christophe for the video, a lot of laughs !!!



1'32: "One ° C in 100 years .. and then after several ° C in a few decades"---> wtf? : Shock:
it is very strong, to respond to a criticism of unjustified extrapolation ... by repeating the unjustified extrapolation, that is rigor of reasoning!

1'43: the climate has been stable for 10 years ... wtf? : Shock:

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subpluvial_néolithique

2'12: you just arrived, it was the traffic problems in Paris ... wtf? he takes his car when there is a metro in Paris? : Shock:

3'00: if there are a few hundred thousand humans at the end of the century ... wtf? : Shock:
https://www.lepoint.fr/postillon/tribun ... 7_3961.php
“While many species are threatened with extinction,” said Ken Caldeira of Stanford, “climate change does not threaten human extinction… I wouldn't want people to be motivated to do what we do. you have to make them believe something that is wrong. ". I asked Australian climatologist Tom Wigley what he thought of the claim that climate change threatens civilization. “It really bothers me because it's wrong,” he said. " All these young people have been misinformed. And that's partly Greta Thunberg's fault. Not on purpose. But she is wrong. But don't scientists and activists need to exaggerate to gain public attention? “I remember what Steve Schneider, a Stanford University climatologist, said,” Wigley replied. “He used to say that as a scientist we don't really have to worry about how we present things in our communications with people on the street who need a little push to realize that the problem is serious. Steve had no qualms about speaking in this biased way. I don't quite agree with that. "


the other completely silly thing is that if humanity had only a few hundred thousand individuals in 2100, that means that it would have started to decrease long before, and the emissions with inevitably, and therefore we cannot reach several ° C ... so there is no reason for it to go away. It is all perfectly incoherent. The CO2 growth scenarios up to 2100 also assume a global GDP multiplied by 5 or 10 at the end of the century, which is absolutely incompatible with an extinction of humanity.

3'47: "today it is not climate change which is the biggest problem for biodiversity, (thank you for recognizing it ..), but it will come ... wtf : Shock: ? what allows him to say that? we'll never know, that's how it is, that's all.


4.10: what defines the tipping point is the irreversible side ... knowing that a large part is already irreversible uh so .. wtf? : Shock: is it already irreversible the quantity of CO2 that we put in the atmosphere, so we switched for a long time in fact, and we are not told anything?

5 17: the feedbacks cause a runaway which causes an exponential ... ah well sorry but not Mr. Ringenbach, a feedback that makes an amplification but not necessarily an exponential runaway, and no calculation has proved that this would be the case.

5.46: increase of 2 ° C -> increase of 13 m, then we do not know where the journalist comes from this, even Ringenbach does not understand "for the 2 ° C scenarios, we are rather over 1 meter" ... yes well, a factor of 13, we are not going to quibble eh ... well we feel a little embarrassed all the same on this one there to have to tell the journalist that he is saying anything.

7.42 the journalist: "the permafrost is over tens of km" "no, no, tens of cm", yes a factor of 100 we will not quibble eh ... : Shock:


10'49: images of storms in Louisiana, floods in Reims, snow in Texas ... obviously all this never existed before it is well known !! : Shock: : Shock:

well I stopped there, I'm going to bed, but I had a good laugh!













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by izentrop » 26/06/21, 12:23

ABC2019 wrote:1'32: "One ° C in 100 years .. and then after several ° C in a few decades" ---> wtf?
it is very strong, to respond to a criticism of unjustified extrapolation ... by repeating the unjustified extrapolation, that is rigor of reasoning!
1'43: the climate has been stable for 10 years ... wtf? https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subpluvial_néolithique
Localized variation of the climate, speaks to him at the global level
ABC2019 wrote:3'00: if there are a few hundred thousand humans at the end of the century ... wtf?
"In survival mode at the end of the century" so the rest is not concerned
ABC2019 wrote:3'47: "today it is not climate change which is the biggest problem for biodiversity, (thank you for recognizing it ..), but it will come ... wtf?
it is clear however, the zumain is omnipresent and the place left to the wild life is reduced ... how many species disappear per day?
ABC2019 wrote:4.10: what defines the tipping point is the irreversible side ... knowing that a large part is already irreversible uh so .. wtf? is it already irreversible the quantity of CO2 that we put in the atmosphere, so we switched for a long time in fact, and we are not told anything?
Yes but you are in "blinders activated" mode
Tiring this bad faith, but hey, given the age, the neurons are in rich mode *, we are not going to ask too much.

* A good retirement, the means to afford an air conditioning, to go where it is most comfortable, for the rest we close the hatches. :P
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by ABC2019 » 26/06/21, 13:04

izentrop wrote:
ABC2019 wrote:1'32: "One ° C in 100 years .. and then after several ° C in a few decades" ---> wtf?
it is very strong, to respond to a criticism of unjustified extrapolation ... by repeating the unjustified extrapolation, that is rigor of reasoning!
1'43: the climate has been stable for 10 years ... wtf? https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subpluvial_néolithique
Localized variation of the climate, speaks to him at the global level

what do you know about it, and what does it mean "the climate at the global level" when precisely the climate is defined by the conditions local ?

The only global thing is the average temperature measured by the stations available on the surface of the Earth, but that, no one can be sure of its "stability" for 10 years, since we had no measuring station.

So unsupported claim.


ABC2019 wrote:3'00: if there are a few hundred thousand humans at the end of the century ... wtf?
"In survival mode at the end of the century" so the rest is not concerned


uh, I didn't realize there would be a "remnant", but if he meant that there would still be billions of humans, of which only a few hundred thousand are in survival mode, then that would be a big big progress compared to now .... : Mrgreen:

ABC2019 wrote:3'47: "today it is not climate change which is the biggest problem for biodiversity, (thank you for recognizing it ..), but it will come ... wtf?
it is clear however, the zumain is omnipresent and the place left to the wild life is reduced ... how many species disappear per day?


but it has nothing to do with the RC that ....
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by izentrop » 26/06/21, 13:45

ABC2019 wrote:what do you know about it, and what does “the climate at the global level” mean when precisely the climate is defined by local conditions?

The only global thing is the average temperature measured by the stations available on the surface of the Earth, but that, no one can be sure of its "stability" for 10 years, since we had no measuring station.

So unsupported claim.
You are right : Twisted: https://phys.org/news/2021-01-holocene- ... house.html
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by ABC2019 » 26/06/21, 14:53

izentrop wrote:You are right ]

yes that's it, we compare instrumental temperatures with a resolution of one month and measured with thermometers precise to the tenth of ° C, with approximate reconstructions by proxies which average everything, and we exclaim "oh that varies more faster than before "!

it's just bad science, that's all. It happens ...
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