20 years: this is the time left to humanity to live on this planet

[perplex]

Money is the blood of the economy, and the ecology of the world needs a massive transfusion which avoids wars and economic migrations, yellow vests, etc, etc ...

It's already the case

2340 billion in debt against 2228 billion in income

the european bank gives almost free billions of € to the banks, which then finance the statements (The% of remuneration, is set in part by the rating agencies, which decide whether or not whether the borrower is sick or not.

The problem of the state is that it is eternal, as a borrower, it presents little risk in the very long term. This is why the Us live peacefully with more than 20 billion debt .

Mélenchon simply proposes to no longer pay and erase the debt, like a bankrupt company, it can be scary, but in my opinion, it is the best short-term solution even if ... We will never be able to repay 2340 billion debt ... And the big hunt for taxes is linked to all this.
In all cases we spend more than we earn, even if we start from scratch, we are in a denial of reality. I don't see how long it can last

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[Ahmed]

J-Pierre, you write:

As long as the income from capital does not participate (in a constrained manner) in the problems of the world, not only will the problems remain, but will enrich capital (the misfortune of some made ...).
Money is the blood of the economy and the ecology of the world needs a massive transfusion which avoids wars and economic migrations, yellow vests, etc, etc ...
The richest 1% knows paradises, and makes hell live for a large majority of the world, but who wants to save hell?

It is the representation that the altercapitalists * have of the problem and therefore of the solutions to be implemented. It means seriously ignoring economic mechanisms and above all it is committing a serious methodological error: reasoning from the categories of capitalism (or economism, which for me is equivalent, but has the advantage of being neutral), it is to enclose oneself in a logic which aims to fight against the consequences by encouraging the causes. Ambiguity results above all from a question of temporality: yes, it is relevant to want to reduce social injustices, to promote initiatives aimed at limiting the damage, to oppose Large Useless and Imposed Projects, all this in a first time; however, these palliatives, as necessary as they are, are absolutely not likely to remedy the root causes of the disease.

The question of the debt of the states must be envisaged by not focusing on its modalities (quite scandalous, I admit it readily), but on their true meaning: the functioning of capitalism in its terminal phase of saturation can no longer satisfy the condition of its survival (which is to always increase the mass of abstract value) by the usual production of goods and their exchange on the market. This is due to the saturation phenomenon: there are no longer enough solvent customers to absorb the huge quantity of goods necessary for the reproduction of capital.
As a result, it was the financial industry that took over to postpone the final collapse. To take a comparison, the financial industry is to conventional industry what shale gas and oil are to conventional gas and oil: an extension that can give the illusion of abundance, but is only a remedy. provisional.
Debt forgiveness is a minor aspect: in any case, these debts will never be repaid; moreover, resetting the counter to zero would not change the obligation to subscribe to new loans, since the operating conditions would remain similar to what they were before ...

* I do not put any pejorative nuance to this term.

[Exnihiloest]

+ 1,5 ° C in 20 years? Total disappearance of the man? I thought the IPCC predictions were made on the 2100 horizon?

Apocalypse now / JEAN-FRANCIS PECRESSE / 08 / 10 to 19: 29
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https://www.lesechos.fr/idees-debats/ed ... 211858.php

Rest assured, it only concerns the disappearance of man. Then the small animals, and the large ones, will proliferate again little by little on the vacant ground, phew, we almost were afraid, and will be able to spend their time eating each other as it is currently the case with the few who still manage to survive despite the outrageously ubiquitous pollution.

The disappearance of man is even better than the abolition of consumption, it also solves the problem of CO2 exhaled by respiration, and that of the consumption of water and food. And then, all human problems will disappear with them, that's efficiency! Thank you to the IPCC for allowing us to rejoice in advance thanks to their infallible predictions.

[Christophe]

A United Nations report goes in the same direction:

[Exnihiloest]

A United Nations report goes in the same direction:
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The "same meaning" is the unique meaning.
In any case, nice recovery by the policies of a movement that started out as a protest. Today, ecologism goes hand in hand with the powers that be.
It was tapping on diesel, and today diesel is overtaxed, thanks to the greening said the State, and the renewal of vehicles is a breath of fresh air for the automotive industry.
He promoted alternative technologies, and today the green industry which only has green name, is flourishing with wind turbines and solar panels galore, thanks to public subsidies, all paid much more expensive than nuclear, by impoverishing households.
It tapped on nuclear power, and thanks to the CO2 of the hypothetical greenhouse effect advanced by official science, the sciento-politicians of the IPCC, the power brought nuclear power back to the hair of the beast in opinion. Good game. Next step, new plants, I bet you, justified by the electric car, therefore green. Environmentalism will say amen.

The past link fully meets criterion 6 of the "Strategy of manipulation (of peoples)" that you yourself provided in the other thread:
"To appeal to the emotional rather than to reflection", here to fear, with great blows of catastrophism and delusional forecasts of which none of those past has ever been realized, relayed by the media beni-oui-ouis and by the environmentalist scandal press which differs from the tabloid press itself only by the subjects turned into hairpin to flatter the low instincts of the public. From the people we go to the corny, the sexual escapades of Prince Andrew we go to the poor polar bear who can no longer on his melting iceberg.

[Exnihiloest]

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As a result, it was the financial industry that took over to postpone the final collapse ...

Let's be pragmatic.
The main thing is that it differs sine die.

[sen-no-sen]

In any case, nice recovery by the policies of a movement that started out as a protest. Today, ecologism goes hand in hand with the powers that be.
It was tapping on diesel, and today diesel is overtaxed, thanks to the greening said the State, and the renewal of vehicles is a breath of fresh air for the automotive industry.
He promoted alternative technologies, and today the green industry which only has green name, is flourishing with wind turbines and solar panels galore, thanks to public subsidies, all paid much more expensive than nuclear, by impoverishing households.
He tapped on nuclear power, and thanks to the CO2 of the hypothetical greenhouse effect advanced by official science, the sciento-politicians of the IPCC, the power brought nuclear power back to the hair of the beast in public opinion. Good game. Next step, new plants, I bet you, justified by the electric car, therefore green. Environmentalism will say amen.

Ah well here! Finally! You see that you get there with a little good will!
What you are saying here is that certain about this forum explains for years: namely the use of "sustainable development" as an ecological screen for a particularly profitable economic transformation for the industrial sector ... the rest is nothing but sentimental advertising aiming to mentally program individuals for its many economic transformations mainly paid for by the average citizen.

[Exnihiloest]

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Ah well here! Finally! You see that you get there with a little good will!
What you are saying here is that certain about this forum explains for years: namely the use of "sustainable development" as an ecological screen for a particularly profitable economic transformation for the industrial sector ... the rest is nothing but sentimental advertising aiming to mentally program individuals for its many economic transformations mainly paid for by the average citizen.

It's been a long time since I got there. The problem is that environmentalism, it continues to work in the scheme, more royalist than the king. With such enemies of consumption or growth, capitalism and liberalism do not need friends, environmentalism is their spearhead.

[Janic]

thanks to public subsidies, all paid much more than nuclear power, making households poorer.

nuclear also only existed thanks to public subsidies and continues to be fueled by them. The EPR is a demonstration of this and the upgrading of the old power plants is not given either. So if RE impoverishes households, what about nuclear power, which will cost considerable sums to be dismantled, to be decontaminated (which we still do not know how to do) and to have to manage the stocks of waste strongly as poorly irradiated over thousands of years and who will pay? Not EDF, nor Areva who will have put the key under the mat since.

[Exnihiloest]

nuclear also only existed thanks to public subsidies ...

You compare what is not comparable. At the time, telecommunications and television / radio broadcasting were state-owned.
And today, who really wants nuclear power to go private?

In addition EDF is paid by its customers, not by the general budget, and pays the State 2 or 3 billion every year in dividends, with Engie.