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dge
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by dge » 14/09/04, 11:11

I went there Sunday 12 September.

First, it was nice, it was nice, the people were relaxed, said hello and smiled at each other. Just that, it was worth the trip. :P

Then, some disappointments: No "Roll my flower", No Pantone reactor as it was announced. The person who was coming was ill, I was told. :(
Already I had come for that mainly, disappointed.

But what I did not like at all, is the frankly commercial side.
Entry: 4 euro / person. Well, I do not mind but once inside, there was a lot more commercial booth than "how to do this or that" booth. For example there was a superb solar water heater in 960 euro, but no solar water heater in system D, or panel "how to make a solar water heater". So, I regret having paid 4 euro the entrance of a trade show.

The organic meal at 12 euro. Yeah, it was good, but a bit limited in quantity. Entrance ou dessert, a glass of wine (very good).

Patrick Barronet (the autonomous house) started his conference with the idea that "the polution is first mental" and that it is necessary to start by "cleaning in his head". I think even within the eco center of Perigord everyone has not finished the job at this level.

What is the purpose of an eco festival? Make it possible for as many people as possible to reconsider their over-consumption habits and to make them aware of "ecology", or is it simply to make an "eco-friendly" trade fair. Especially considering the prices practiced by the different exhibitors, it supports the idea that to be ecolo, you have to be rich. If for a solar water heater you have to pay 960 euro, a lot of people will stay at the good old electric water heater not even 150. How is it that on an eco center, there is not even a home-made water heater with recup or materials not honorable?

Really, that's not how I see it at all. <_
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by Christophe » 18/09/04, 21:07

Well, this message makes me really happy because it's exactly what I think but I never wanted to be "bad" (because there is enough to be)!

These ecoorganizers who believe they want to change the world by applying the same methods as people / system they accuse .... Fortunately they are nice naive to continue to finance these fairs!

Why do you think nothing has changed since renewable energy levels or even organic food? Simply because everyone calculates the same in a commercial perspective of ever higher profitability .... the style of price / life expectancy / gain to the customer and NOT compared to the cost price of the product! The same rogue calculation is applied to the organic product, margin of 5, 10 see of 20 .... but nothing is too expensive for a GOOD product !! But with organic products the pb comes more often from the distributor ...

I stop the not to be mean with Mr Barronet who does not hesitate to organize Pantone courses at 150 € is not incompetent, pocket a% above obviously and especially publicly destroy the rare really scientific evidence (mine). ..but obviously it is less dream so sell !!!! And yes Patrick, the reality is disappointing ....
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by Christophe » 18/09/04, 21:10

ps: if you want to create an association ECONOLOGY that goes into "THE OTHER logical ecolo" I'm leaving! ;)

reps: "The organic meal at 12 euro Yeah, it was good, but a little limited quantity.Entrance or dessert, a glass of wine (very good)".

If I wish, I knew that ... but worse: a vegetarian dish and the wine he opened it at the end ... after dessert ... when no one wanted it ....
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Christine
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Registration: 09/08/04, 22:53
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by Christine » 18/09/04, 21:12

:D
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Dearcham
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Registration: 29/10/03, 23:55




by Dearcham » 19/09/04, 02:43

I was also there with three other delinquents that you could be spotted if you were at the Saturday night lotto (vacuuming and "rescue") or during the folk dances.

I think it is important to set the context: a farm where Claude, an ecologist (or assimilated to those who did not like it) built with ten trainees and trainers 6 houses "ecological" (raw brick , straw, hemp, monomur, corded wood and two others that I do not remember) in the space of seven months, trying to favor local sectors.

If I am not mistaken, Claude is an architect and has said several times that he knew Baronnay for thirty years (without much more comments).
Personally I found it great. His outspokenness, his good nature, but especially the active nature of his approach (it was he who had instigated the idea of ​​ecocenter on the spot and who, with his wife makes training for the eco construction, their idea is to create a new status for "intermittent ecological builders".

I am convinced that these people are in good faith and really dynamic; from the little that I could talk with them.
He was well acquainted with those who had participated in Auch's mowing and improvised several screenings of the video of the events.

In the intervention of trainees, I found the strength and emotion of the shipyards as I could do this summer. For me, this is a considerable dynamic that can come into play when there is a working relationship between trainees, but also play and knowledge sharing.

During this first edition I also hooked up with the people of Ciirad (anti nuclear), the guy who had his car 100% oil (he had just added a fuel filter of r21 to preheat and filter the oil) and the atmosphere of Saturday night.

Overall I do not blame the organizers.

The problem (which was half noticeable on the spot, on the moment we try more to take maximum advantage is after the reflections arrive) comes in my opinion of the exhibitors who, it is true do not hesitate to do in the fierce commercialism.
Not the slightest info on self-construction (except in houses where you were told how to make plaster, build this or that).
Only the lady pee dry toilet, the guy on the truck and the one who presented his 205 mounted Pantone (according to the basic plans of Nexus, but it came at the end and you had to be on the spot for the chopper, if that ' Interested, I have the number of one of the mates with whom he mounted it) were actually doing the info reproducible by all.

We would have liked to see free plans of solar ovens, how to do solar thermal? , how to educate the kids with small practical and fun experiences, that sort of thing ... it was not there this year and we can actually wonder if an ecofest can really get into that state of mind.

I met Mata festive building afterwards who explained to me that their old assoc (with christophe and christine for those who know), Sunflower had completely stop the festoches while he moved with a lot of gear making the info on gardening, rainwater harvesting, wind and stirling self-built because for them, the little public they reached to touch was finally dubitative and not really ready to put these experiences into practice.

As Claude rightly said, it is high time for the green masses to take charge and put into practice all they can read in the books, but especially what they can learn from those who have already embarked on the 'adventure.

For me nothing is more enriching, humanly, personally, at the level of knowledge and its relation to work and others than the building sites during which you help for two or three weeks an individual to build his house (which teaches you everything ) in exchange for cover and a piece of field to pitch your tent or leave the truck.
To multiply these experiences is to broaden one's knowledge, points of view and skills for the simple act of helping or for a personal project behind.

In short, the building site is the foot :D
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Philflam
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Registration: 09/03/04, 11:56




by Philflam » 19/09/04, 08:28

What is happening in this corner of this festival?

Can you tell a little more about these Dearcham yards, your personal experience and some practical information? (Possibly a site or an address ...)
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