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How to survive from scratch?




by FPLM » 27/02/10, 15:48

If you were all naked, without anything, on a virgin land of all civilization how would you proceed to ensure your survival? And in what order?

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To avoid drifting, I say:
starting from scratch does not mean leaving à zero.
Virgin of all civilization does not mean alone.
starting from scratch means without any vestige of any civilization, only the virgin and wild nature.
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by chatelot16 » 27/02/10, 16:05

it's simple, everything you already know will not serve you

if it's a hot place where it naturally grows something to be eaten, and you find it without poisoning yourself with what is not eaten, you will survive, and if you are alone it will serve no purpose

if you are not alone but enough to reproduce without degenerating, you will also take a long time to reinvent what prehistoric men have already done: your knowledge and that of the entire first generation will be completely lost: because impossible to transmit a the next generation since completely useless
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by zorglub » 27/02/10, 17:29

yeah! I will rather ask the question
how to survive without starting from scratch?
it's even more complicated in today's world, and that's the question that millions of people are asking
and if the answer was obvious it will be even better!

as for survival in the world at the origin, the man would still have the instinct that he has lost and will be able to be better than one thinks (developed sense of smell, instinct of survival, ect)
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by elephant » 27/02/10, 18:29

Our distant ancestors had the advantage is that they did not start from "nothing": they had a know-how perfectly suited to their environment ... and then came improvements: the weapon, the tool, fire, cooking, agriculture, etc.

Robinson Crusoe was not so far from this knowledge as a kid raised in the center of a big city.
Example: do you know that raw cassava is poisonous, as well as the If berry. Are you able to identify at least one edible wood mushroom? How would you go about baiting a rabbit?
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by oiseautempete » 27/02/10, 18:50

chatelot16 wrote:it's simple, everything you already know will not serve you



Error, some, like me for example, know by their culture and their acquired (family of peasants + training course of survival commando + gardening + culture booksque, etc ...) very well techniques of survival, use of the resources or ancestral manufacturing techniques (pottery, stone tools, wood, etc ...) ... There is no starting from 0 because this pooled knowledge will be transmitted quickly from a group to the other ... the hardest thing would be to do without metal tools ...
It is certain that the pure suburban city dweller who has never seen that his district, completely isolated from the natural environment, will have a hard time surviving other than by rapine, while the basic peasant will adapt rather quickly. ..
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Re: How to survive starting from scratch?




by Other » 27/02/10, 20:45

Hello

FPLM wrote:If you were all naked, without anything, on a virgin land of all civilization how would you proceed to ensure your survival? And in what order?


Go in the forest with an Indian after 8 days you learned a lot of things, in summer you will learn how to live with mosquitoes
that you become like an animal all your energy is devoted to the search for nouriture .. Nenuphare, porcépique,
the definition of the essential the life will completely change

For city dwellers there is a forest survival course for bush pilots

http://dorval.cqfa.ca/survie/index.htm

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by chatelot16 » 27/02/10, 22:27

survival stage ... we do not restart from zero we have some tools

to be completely naked and having to redo everything is something else

I saw iron with an archaic method with ore and charcoal it is impossible quickly without tools: to do this demonstration we already had the shovels of the hammers of the bar mines ... to get there from from zero it will take as long as our ancestors

those who find themselves without anything at all in nature: of course it is those who have precise knowledge to know what is eaten (botanist or gardener) who will benefit, but then without paper or writing all that one know will be lost for the next generations
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Re: How to survive starting from scratch?




by Leo Maximus » 27/02/10, 23:57

FPLM wrote:If you were all nakedWithout anything, on a virgin land of all civilization, how would you proceed to ensure your survival? And in what order?

Well, I'll start by looking for a grape leaf ... : Lol:
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by Rabbit » 28/02/10, 00:27

For the townspeople, survival will be impossible, in any case
very unlikely.The problem is that they have lost the contact
with nature.Moreover they have knowledge too specialized
and unrelated to survival in the field.
For the people of the countryside, the real ones. It will certainly be difficult
in the beginning, but they will adapt. They know the fruits and
edible plants from their region. Build a hut
without tools is quite possible. Braiding ropes with
stinging fibers, thistles or even tree stumps is not a
major problem. Tanning a skin to get leather or
Fur with oak bark is also not insurmountable.

The paper can be replaced by parchment, make paper
It is not impossible mission.
To say that we are starting from scratch is a wrong idea.
We must not reinvent writing, nor basic math.
Our knowledge of even basic medicine is not
negligible. The same goes for our knowledge of physics
, chemistry etc.
We would not need to reinvent the wheel.
We do not have all the techniques in front of us, we know them
possible. This is a big difference from our ancestors
who could not even imagine them.
rediscover these techniques but knowing in advance what
l want to get.

The real big problem is that we would not have the raw materials
at hand as was the case with our ancestors. Ore
easily accessible have been operating for a long time.
The reconstruction of a technological civilization
will be in a few generations and not in several centuries.

I think it's wrong to underestimate survival skills
and development of the human being.We are creatures
overly ingenious and firmly decides to survive against and
against everything.
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by dedeleco » 28/02/10, 00:55

I am not so pessimistic, because knowing that it was possible, is more important than how to know how to do it!

So having experienced our way of life and all its possibilities, gives us an incomparable advantage over our ancestors, there is 400000ans before they discover the fire, even if we are perfectly incapable of making fire (example Koh Lanta to laugh wild!) once abandoned in the virgin forest!
Knowing that fire exists, is possible and indispensable, without any doubt, gives a motivation, a relentlessness, that can reinvent in a few weeks what our ancestors have put tens of thousands of years to discover, with virtually the same intelligence !!!
Knowing that you can grow plants (the fig tree very easy), even if you have never been a farmer, can act quickly and try and progress.
Knowing that an arc is possible to hunt allows you to reinvent it quickly.
Knowing that paper, printing, transmission of knowledge is vital, we would put very little time to reinvent them with no knowledge except that it is possible without the slightest doubt!
Same, knowing that a transistor is possible enough to reinvent it without going through the radio lamps and galena!

Discoveries are made in a labyrinth blindly groping, but as soon as the path is glimpsed, they become easy.
That's why discoveries are often made independently at the same time.

It is impossible to return to the wild with the slow progress of our ancestors.
So starting from scratch humanity will rebuild itself very quickly.

That's why it's impossible to keep a discovery secret, even if you do not give any secrets except that it exists and is possible !!
The way of thinking, approaching without forbidden, is also the most important, because religious taboos, our packaging is much more blocking than the lack of detailed knowledge.
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