Artisans, merchants, I love you me either

[Christophe]

Bham if you came across big assholes you can't condemn all the independents !!!! For example: Woodcutter rolls XM has 18 years !!

If there are only big assholes in your region: move from region !!

It comes to me an idea of ​​cyberaction: refusing to "work" with all the big idiots who ride in SUV or big engine ... (except of course if it is a functional 4x4 full of mud).

Personally I already did it: the guy openly made fun of our mouth (necessarily must pay him his stinking box)!

If it shows up again, next time I won't even let him go home it'll make him go !! Hihihih I would like to see his face!

Come to think of it, all the guys we worked with in the house had small or medium cars! It's no coincidence!

The guy who redoes your roof without knowing the frames? What is this madness?

And no I will never agree with you on the fact that the artisans cannot get their hands on the products they install ... or else you pay their charges, in the end you will have the same price then the charges are deported on the sale price ...

[Woodcutter]

[...]
Don't give a damn; when you see the boss landing in a big 4x4 Mercedes and at his first words, you are inundated with puffs of vinasse, well don't insist. Or the other one who rides in state-of-the-art Saab and who tells me who wants to do my roof but admits to knowing nothing about the frame! [...]

You're really well surrounded, say so! What corner are you in?

[elephant]

Christopher said:

Come to think of it, all the guys we worked with in the house had small or medium cars! It's no coincidence!

In fact I have often observed that there was an "implicit recognition": the cheap installers often do business with the less wealthy and the guys who drive in Béemme are the big money ...

[bham]

Bham if you came across big assholes you can't condemn all the independents !!!! For example: Woodcutter rolls XM has 18 years !!

yes I know

If there are only big assholes in your region: move from region !!
The guy who redoes your roof without knowing the frames? What is this madness?

Yep and I’m not telling you everything, I could write a book, let's say to simplify that the craftsman who I called in the first place ended up in drug rehab for alcohol and therefore left me in the dark with a half-covered roof in the middle of winter. Hello galley.

And no I will never agree with you on the fact that the artisans cannot get their hands on the products they install ... or else you pay their charges, in the end you will have the same price then the charges are deported on the sale price ...

Roooh, but it starts to distort everything again, it's not possible, do you read everything diagonally or what?

You're really well surrounded, say so! What corner are you in?

Alsace / Moselle; I can tell you that I rowed my roof to finish it; in fact as I was taken by the throat, there are only the most rotten who came to see the site, just to make new year's gifts; the others told me bluntly no, we don't have time, we are booked.
We will say that it was my period of bad luck.

[C moa]

C moa dared to write:

because part of their remuneration also comes from benefits in kind (to be clear, I do not dispute them).

Yeah : 2/7 of the use of their vehicle, the enjoyment of their PC, 1 overalls per year, not having to pay for the subscription of their mobile phones and a few other bibs: let's stop laughing, do you want?

Again do not get angry, I agree that you are better paid than a worker for the hours, sacrifices and risks that have been taken. I have been a freelance myself for several years so I fully understand your position.

On the other hand, do not say that the part in kind is a tapestry because here I do not agree:
- The car: You say 2/7 th of the use and it seems coherent to me since it is roughly merdo the difference that there is between a service car (commercial car that we use only for work) and a company car (normal car which can also be used for personal outings including holidays). FYI, HR, headhunters and other tax services consider that having a company car amounts to an average benefit in kind of € 500 / month (more purchase / credit, more insurance, maintenance , gasoline). Of course if you have a Cayenne Porch, this amount increases sharply. In addition, in general, you use your gas card for mom's vehicle, maybe also children .... Again I do not condemn, I observe and I count. Even if it's only € 30 of fuel per week per car, that's € 120 more saved per month per car.
- The phone: if you had to have a personal laptop, for a 3 hour package how much is it ?? Around 30-40 € per month (I am not a specialist I do not even have a laptop but I don't think I'm far from the truth).
- The clopinettes: a restaurant or a hotel here and there that goes into entertainment expenses .... it will not look far unless you are greedy but that's still it.
- And then the gifts: my painter "confessed" to me (but I already knew it) that at the end of the year he received a catalog of gifts offered by suppliers if he made his figure. They offered him great trips in particular, but as for personal reasons he couldn't get too far from home, he had a beautiful electric gate installed, his bathroom and kitchen had to be redone. .. I do not condemn this practice first because it is practiced everywhere then because it allows the supplier to motivate and retain a customer (the craftsman) but please do not tell me that these are potties, this year, my non-motorized sliding gate cost me € 2400 ....
Some additional examples, in the trade it is training for the personnel which are proposed or free lots which will then be sold. Doctors and pharmacists participate in conferences in beautiful hotels in Malta or Djerba. Journalists receive lots of things to try but of course we never ask them to give them back ....

If we do the accounts, it's 500 € for the car + 100 € of gasoline + 40 € of phone + say 160 € of gifts (that is 1800 € per year, I'm not very generous), that makes a bonus of 800 € per month. On a salary of 2000 € it still represents 40%, it's not really what I call mopeds but hey maybe you had not done the calculation .

To this can be added, for example, all or part of the house loan, internet subscription, gas and professional electricity tariff ... when the workshop or office is in the house.
If my mind was twisted, I would also say that part of what they earn is not declared, but as I did not say, I would not say that this part is particularly difficult to assessed ....

Once again, I do not condemn these practices, especially as they are tolerated or even validated by accountants and by control bodies (URSAFF, fisc and company). But to say that benefits in kind should not be taken into account in remuneration, I don't find that logical, that's all.

[C moa]

Then do you know that 2/3 of the companies created in France do not survive more than 3 years? How do you explain this if all freelancers made as good a living as you claim?

Christophe, don't make me say what I didn't say. I did not say that under the pretext of being a boss, you earn € 2000 overnight. I have said it several times, you don't have to count your hours, sometimes you have to take risks, commit your assets ... It doesn't happen by itself.

In terms of business survival, there are three main reasons for me:
- The first consists in making everyone believe that rather than being unemployed it is better to be a boss when that cannot be improvised. We had already said that it was enough to have a euro to assemble your box, I came across this article this leaves me speechless.
- The second reason stems from the first because from the moment you have people who embark on this path as a "last resort", the motivation can be limited and especially the majority will not really have drawn up a business plan ( to speak vulgarly) when it is the first thing to do. By the way, fortunately in the lot there are some who think a little more than the others without that we would not be there to talk about it
- The third reason is for me the training of future entrepreneurs. Many focus on the technical part while the management part is as much or more important and unfortunately a good number of companies (like my plumber) are going out of business while they have a good order book and that they work well.

And stop the stars or big bosses who want to tax free at all costs: their (no?) Taxes represent a tiny part of French taxes ... it's a big deal in the budget of France! And above all it has NOTHING to do with artisans and small freelancers ...

I agree, it has nothing to do with artisans and freelancers.

The spearhead of the economy, jobs and taxes are the millions of small bosses: those who cannot tax exemption (or very little, see elephant remark) precisely ... and who pay "full price" .. .

There too I agree, these small bosses often have a more humanist vision of their company, they have respect for their workers (don't we say that we recognize a boss for his workers ??) and love their job. They also have the advantage of not outsourcing their jobs.
They deserve to be helped. Not necessarily no reduction in charges or taxes (this is included in the margin sheet) but in particular in terms of training, operation or management tools.
I'm scared every time I discuss with artisans to see that with a little more organization and methods (ideas / tools stitched industry), they could save time in hardship and therefore money.

A little flexibility in relations with administrations would not be bad either. Personally, I used the CESU and the CEA, if there were this type of tool for companies, they would save time !!!

[elephant]

let's not kid ourselves: in this revival of corporate foundation, a large part is certainly involved:

- unemployed people who have no other solution (and some of whom left with a few customers of the company that dismissed them)
- resumption of activities behind the scenes of bankrupt companies.

Tax exemption: what I meant was the possibility of immunizing sums that we intend to reinvest. Nothing but very moral, and if they are not invested, they will end up being taxed. And as it is only possible within a very small limit, we invest in a nice car, useless office furniture, etc ...

[C moa]

let's not kid ourselves: in this revival of corporate foundation, a large part is certainly involved:

- unemployed people who have no other solution (and some of whom left with a few customers of the company that dismissed them)
- resumption of activities behind the scenes of bankrupt companies.

Totally agree. One point that surprises me is that today there is a lot of business creation while the bosses who will soon retire cannot find buyers. At "best", they are bought by a competitor, at worst they simply close ....
Again, if we could link each other it would probably be smarter !!!

Tax exemption: what I meant was the possibility of immunizing sums that we intend to reinvest. Nothing but very moral, and if they are not invested, they will end up being taxed. And as it is only possible within a very small limit, we invest in a nice car, useless office furniture, etc ...

This is bullshit of the state because it does not and above all does not motivate to modernize the production tool.

Please note that I am not fundamentally against tax exemption. I rather find the idea of ​​tax exemption for wealth tax to be fair from the moment we invest in a new innovative business. It's an effective way to help startups.

On the other hand, I find much less relevant real estate transactions which are set up as risk-free financial investments (Robien's law, French overseas departments and territories). In the end, we end up with overcrowded buildings in some areas, in shortage in others and they are often badly finished because ultimately it is only a placement ....

[elephant]

C moa wrote:

while the bosses who will soon be retiring do not find buyers

Well see, you've seen the money they ask for, no real CA for maintaining warranty and banks know this because they do not lend money, and they will be right. Many prefer to start with a small capital.

[Christophe]

Alsace / Moselle

Rather moselle than Alsace huh!