The car Biogas

[Remundo]

Very much agree with you, Didou

To my understanding, it's a Diesel. But indeed, the indication that the 15 l diesel tank serves as a back-up "in case of need" is troubling.

it disturbs me too, the presentation is ambiguous ...

No doubt they do not want to communicate too much about the pilot micro-injection of diesel?

Or they are in good faith and have developed a super flex fuel diesel / methane concept.

To be continued...

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[Remundo]

another major benefit of methane in a tractor: no tax on road fuel ... so no fuss of short-circuiting the tax on gasoline

Without getting into the meanders of French taxation, the real big advantage is that the farmer does not buy his fuel., But the waste of his farm provide him with its mechanical strength.

In Germany, the recovery of organic waste (crap to summarize, but not only) is much more advanced than in France. And this is partly how German pigs are breaking prices on meat because they have additional income via biomethanation stations. Where French farmers are sometimes embarrassed by their manure and manure ...

[Did67]

... tomorrow I could tell you how much tax there is on this product ...

So we agree: it is not totally zero-rated (even if it is widely).

The recovery of VAT is the rule for any company (except mini and micro, which can have a flat-rate basis) on any of its "purchases" ... It is the very principle of VAT, that to apply only on the added value and that to "transfer", from company to company, on the final consumer ... [I specify it, because it is customary to "reproach" the farmers - that I'm not ! -, or to envy them on this point, to benefit from specific exemptions - there are, indeed, but this one - the VAT - is not one]

[Did67]

And this is partly how German pigs are breaking prices on meat because they have additional income via biomethanation stations. Where French farmers are sometimes embarrassed by their manure and manure ...

Absolutely:

a) at the moment, the big German farms do not make a margin on pork [they also undergo the collapse of some markets - Russia - and the competition], but they do not make a lot of them on the methane (or the energy) resulting of their manure ...

b) in short, where in France we are fighting against "ecological constraints", in Germany, we value it and we make, in difficult times, the margin on it.

NB: this is exactly what happens to us at the level of the anaerobic digestion unit that I report on forum from time to time: currently, no margin on young bulls, despite "prowess" on rations to reduce costs, but "very correct" income - let's put it that way! - on anaerobic digestion; the young bull becomes a producer of manure, recoverable in energy with a quite correct margin! Meat is ... a by-product of "energy farming"!

NB 2: 20 years ago, the CAP guaranteed agricultural prices (after the stormy night negotiations in Brussels) ... Today, this is no longer the case. Liberalization requires, it is the "free" market that takes precedence. And in this game, the Danes, Germans, Spaniards are better placed! The rare "products" that still have a regulated, fixed price is ... energy! I do not understand that there is not more enthusiasm on the side of French farmers. They should be the first "green" - at least when it comes to "energy" plans! [it is true that it is still necessary to have an investment capacity, which, given the debt, is no longer always the case!].

[Did67]

No doubt they do not want to communicate too much about the pilot micro-injection of diesel?

Often, with the approach of trade shows, this kind of "communication" is mainly buzz, to occupy the media space and to talk about the brand.

And to create a buzz, you have to "swell the rumor". Avoid saying to yourself: "ah, that's ONLY that ...!"

[moinsdewatt]

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In Germany, recovery of organic waste (shit to summarize, but not only) is much more advanced than in France. And this is partly how German pigs are breaking prices on meat because they have additional income via biomethanation stations. Where French farmers are sometimes embarrassed by their manure and manure ...

it is on that with 8000 methanizers the Germans are several steps ahead:

End of biogas purchase tariffs in Germany

Posted by Frédéric DOUARD the 7 August 2015

With a total installed capacity exceeding 4 000 MW, the 8 000 German methanizers play a vital role in the country's electricity and heat production. In 2014, renewable energies accounted for 26,2% of German electricity production. About 55% of this renewable generation is intermittent, which represents a major challenge for grid operators and the stability of the electricity system.


Biogas plant in Germany

In order to encourage renewable electricity producers to adapt their production to the demand curve, the German legislator has introduced from 2012 the possibility for producers to sell their renewable electricity directly on the market under a bonus system. market in opposition to the conventional purchase price. The market premium represents the difference between a reference value - defined by the legislator - and the average price of electricity on the market. The producer is thus encouraged to produce and sell his electricity on the market when the prices on the stock market are the highest. The model put in place encourages the operator of a methanizer to produce when the system needs it most. By adapting its production to the needs of the system, the operator can thus maximize the income from the sale of its electricity.

From 2012 to 2014, producers had the choice to sell their electricity on the market or with the purchase price by switching from one model to another, on a monthly basis. Since 2014, direct sales are mandatory for installations with a power of more than 500 kW (100 kW from 2016) and the reference values, used for the calculation of the premium, have been revised downward. For installations with more than 100 kW, only the production of half of the installed capacity is now eligible for financial support. Small installations always have the choice between purchase price and market premium.

The new law encourages the construction of more flexible biogas plants that integrate better into the market. According to the German Center for Biomass Research (DBFZ), almost half of the biogas plants sold their electricity directly to the 2014 market. The flexibilisation of the installation can be total (production only when the demand for electricity is high) or partial (production up to 50% of the capacity of the motor when the demand is low with load increase during peak demand). The flexibilisation mode chosen by the producer depends mainly on the characteristics of the installation. Some operators have chosen to replace their old cogeneration engine with a more powerful engine or to add an additional motor to produce more electricity over a shorter period while consuming the same amount of biogas. Electricity generation can thus focus on the time slots of the day with the highest demand for electricity that goes hand in hand with higher prices.

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http://www.bioenergie-promotion.fr/4225 ... allemagne/

[Did67]

Very just !

It is common sense. Instead of guaranteeing a price, we guarantee a "bonus" compared to the "spot" market price, which follows demand. So, naturally, producers will inject when the price is high, that is, when the market is tight! And the "problem" corrects itself.

Because it should be noted that the single fixed price is stupid: methane is one of the rare "renewable" energies which is delivered "easily stored".

Engineers ravage in every way to try to store solar, with devices often unreliable or unsustainable or overpriced ...

Where, at the exit of a digester, it suffices to install an inexpensive gasifier to store the biogas and only "turbinate" it at peak times, for example by installing 3 co-generator groups instead of one. Or simply put on bigger "hats". We can then send a triple power over a third of the day, and settle on the peaks ... A group of "coogé" starts instantly and automatically ...

It should also be noted that coge groups have a much lower life expectancy than the factory. So in the end, it amounts to the same expense. Groups no longer turning 24 h / 24 will last in my example 3 times longer.

It's just the amount to invest at the start that is much larger. So the extra cost is the credit price (low right now).

I introduced this “idea” when the Ministry of Ecology launched its “public debate” during the preparation of the law on ecological transition. I have, obviously I was going to write, never had an answer or a reaction ...

We could, in France, see our delay, avoid generating the problem. It missed.

That being said, Germany is aware of certain limitations of its model, the most serious of which is not the issue of peaks in production in my opinion, but the fact that many of their agricultural stations do not digest "waste" ( or "residual biomass"), but energy crops (their "NaWaRo" = Nachwachsende Rohstoffe, ie energy crops). There has been a surge in the price of land (rental) which for example left farmers on the sidelines ... They did not have the profitability of a methanization unit.

Again, they correct ...

[moinsdewatt]

The first French public station of bioGNV will open in Bonneuil-sur-Marne

by Frédéric DOUARD the 13 april 2016

The Intercommunal Syndicate for Gas and Electricity in Ile-de-France (SIGEIF) has just awarded the contract for the exploitation of its GNV / bioGNV station in Bonneuil-sur-Marne (94), the first equipment in France opened at public and commissioned by a community, to ENDESA, an ENEL Group company. This project is part of its CNG development plan in France and Europe aimed at providing NGV and bioGNV access solutions through a network of public and private stations.
A first pilot station in Ile-de-France

The station, under construction, will be equipped with a video surveillance system and will host 24h / 24 all types of vehicles on more than 4000 m2. Users will have the choice to eat both CNG and all or part of bioGNV.

The pricing, competitive with diesel, will be differentiated according to the uses, occasional or regular. Interested companies can already contact ENDESA which, in accordance with the conditions negotiated by SIGEIF, can offer attractive rates under subscription contracts.

The commissioning of the station is planned for the end of September 2016.

Ten stations planned in Ile-de-France

SIGEIF is financing this project up to 2 million euros and wishes to continue to commit to the construction of other stations (10 planned in the coming years).

Signatory of the partnership agreement signed in December 2014 with the City of Paris, the Ile-de-France Region, the La Poste Group and GRDF, SIGEIF also wanted to implement other partnerships to support the energy transition. and ecological.

The SIGEIF and the Caisse des Dépôts thus signed the 8 January 2016 a protocol of intent to create a common investment tool, in the form of a mixed economy company, for the development of refueling infrastructures in natural gas in Île-de-France.
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http://www.bioenergie-promotion.fr/4557 ... sur-marne/

[chatelot16]

bin yes there is a big lack of common sense in those who run

there is no good way to store electricity, but there is a source of electricity from biomethane that can produce exactly when you want thanks to a certain capacity of storage of methane ... that does the state expect to value this method by a variable electricity tariff?

did give all the information needed to understand that the generator is not the most expensive thing of a methanizer: it would not be too expensive to double the power to install to produce more when it is needed and to stop produce when the network does not want anymore

doubling the installed power costs nothing in the long run because the groups will run less often so they will have a longer life span