Where to find E85 biofuel?

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Where to find E85 biofuel?




by Rinoa » 17/01/07, 12:18

Hello everyone !

Quick introduction, Sarah, 24, I came across your forum by chance, during a search! I said to myself that you could perhaps help me ... I am doing research on petrol stations that deliver biofuel in the Paris region, or even in Oise, Picardy or Champagne.

Do some of you know about it, by the greatest of chances? Because I suppose that currently, there are still few ... So few that for the moment, I have not found any !! But I do not lose hope!

Thank you in advance for your help.
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by Christophe » 17/01/07, 13:48

Wait a few months it will come ... finally it is a government promise ... : Cheesy:

But maybe there is a site that lists all E85 pumps?

In any case, the famous Parisian pump Total inaugurated with the me (r) dias has been sealed for a period of I don't know how many months ...
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by jean63 » 17/01/07, 14:11

There was a speaker who came to this forum who is going to make a site which will indicate where the stations are with E85 fuel, and this site will be updated as new installations are made.

I'm going to find out in what subject it was discussed; I also indicated to him a similar site for the LPG which also contains the prices updated by the users themselves during their passage in the stations (on their return on the internet of course).

Here I found, we talk about it there: https: //www.econologie.com/forums/petrol-to-e85-conversion-kit-t2386-30.html
The speaker who wants to market a petrol engine to E85 conversion kit (biofuel) is called cara82.

You can send him a private message: he knows the stations currently in service with an E85 pump.

Here is the map for the LPG (it will perhaps be inspired by it to make the site on the E85):
http://stations.gpl.online.fr/appli/index.php?parEtape=Accueil

sorry Christophe no time to reduce URLs
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Re: Where to find biofuel?




by zac » 17/01/07, 14:35

Linoa wrote:I am doing research on petrol stations that deliver biofuel in the Paris region, or even in the Oise, Picardy or Champagne regions.


Hello

Mac donald, kebabs, chip shops, industrial canteens etc ... : Lol:

avoid quick it is palm and its freeze even in the tropics. : Evil:

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by Rinoa » 17/01/07, 20:36

Thanks a lot for your answers ! (yes, even yours, Zac : Cheesy: )

For the moment, I have actually not found a station delivering biofuel ... Just that of Total, therefore, at Porte d'Orléans, but which is not really one, since the pump for the E85 is currently not usable! Even if apparently, there will be some in a very short time, starting with Paris, then the big cities.

But I do not despair of finding a station delivering biofuel, I will have to expand my research a little!

I thought I would find a lead on the site http://www.roulez-eco.fr/, but not possible to check the search for the E85, for the moment. Dommaaaaaage!
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by jean63 » 17/01/07, 23:38

Well done Sarah for being made aware of the need to save the planet at 24!

We (with Zac, André, Bucheron ...) are old sixty-eighters (not André did not experience that in Quebec, nor Zac? In Reunion?), And we try to see where are the "traps" in what we are offered as a solution.

We have already discussed the subject of "biofuel" including E85 (since there are other HVBs for diesel engines, but practically banned in France, while farmers in the South-West manufacture crude vegetable oil with presses from sunflower seeds that grow in their fields ... and they do not have the legal right to put it in their tank: see the debates in www.oliomobile.org if it interests you).

Regarding E85, if we want to supply all gasoline vehicles with this biofuel, we will need a lot of cultivated areas (beets ... etc), even cut trees useful for animals and ecological balance to plant palm trees and make palm oil.

If you want precise and complete information on these subjects, I advise you to read "Le plein SVP" by Jean-Marc Jancovici and also to go to his site www.manicore.com. Everything is very well explained: he is a specialist in all areas relating to planet Earth and its safeguard.
I thought I would find a lead on the site http://www.roulez-eco.fr/, but not possible to check the search for the E85, for the moment. Dommaaaaaage!

Look interesting in this official site, they have completely forgotten the LPG (liquefied petroleum gas) with which I drive since 1998, which comes from petroleum, but which is burned in the flares if it is not used. A few years ago it was the benchmark for so-called "green" fuel (less polluting, but gasoline and diesel engines having made technical progress to reduce pollution by adding catalytic converter and particulate filter for diesel) , the state has chosen to eliminate LPG while there are 1500 pumps in France and many more in Holland and Italy (price = 0,70 euros / liter in France and much less in the 2 other countries mentioned).

Rinoa => the speaker who can give you information is cara82; according to him, there are 20 E85 pumps distributed all over France.
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Re: Where to find biofuel?




by Woodcutter » 18/01/07, 01:15

Linoa wrote:Hello everyone !

Quick introduction, Sarah, 24, I came across your forum by chance, during a search! I thought to myself that you could perhaps help me ... I am doing research on petrol stations that deliver biofuel in the Paris region, even in Oise, Picardy or Champagne. [...]
Hi Sarah, welcome to join us ... : Wink:

You will find in this Autoplus article the list of the 9 pumps that delivered E85 on January 12.

For the search, I typed "leclerc + E85 centers" in Google ...
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by jean63 » 18/01/07, 09:26

Bravo Lumberjack !!

Interesting and an article confirms that the government site on fuel prices is incomplete, but more up to date than other sites. The one on the GPL mentioned above (gplonline is well updated by users and very complete; it must be said that GPLists are "green" (not that green !!) in mind, and I think that they are future customers for the E85:
article on fuel prices

found that in the site www.ecoenergiesweb.com =>
Biofuels are fuels from biomass, their development has been authorized and encouraged by the European Union since 2003 to try to respect the Kyoto agreements of 1982 aiming to reduce polluting emissions, as well as to reduce the hole in the layer ozone.

11 official biofuels have been defined.
The best known are HV and E85.
Vegetable, first press or recovery oil is made from cloza, sunflower or other.
Ecoenergies is betting on this fuel of the future, and offers you a supply of oil ranging from 40 to 60.000 L / day. Adapted to most diesel vehicles, within the limit of a mixture (30% HV / 70% Diesel), beyond, it is necessary to adapt on your vehicle, the bicarburantion Oilteck kit which will allow you to operate 100% Oil vegetable !!!
Regarding E85, the energy balance of this fuel (85% ethanol in petrol) being very poor, we do not offer any solution in this sense.



and also another article on the clean vehicles which profit from the premiums (the LPG is always inside !!!):
clean vehicles
The tax credits for clean vehicles were renewed until the end of 2009. These tax advantages are valid for the purchase of a new clean vehicle (LPG, electricity, biofuel, NGV or hybrid emitting less than 160g of CO2 per kilometer) and represents the sum of € 2. An additional € 000 may be awarded for the destruction of your car, which is more than 1 years old and still in circulation. In addition, in certain regions, the gray card is offered (or the price is reduced) for the purchase of a clean vehicle.

It is true that there are very few new petrol vehicles that emit less than 160 g of CO2 / km (a few small). So new LPG-equipped vehicles will gradually decrease in favor of the E85 biofuel (but problem of pumps and also the high price? Of the vehicle !!), when the others are powder in the eyes:
- NGV = no pumps .... although ===>

Found in the site www.carburantgaznaturel.com :

Nearly 5 million vehicles worldwide, including 400 in Italy, run on natural gas fuel. As of today and by December 000, 2006 French people will have access for the first time to this smart, ecological and economical fuel, the only one currently available.
Publicize the advantages of this fuel, such is the mission of the National Information Center on natural gas fuel, the only clean fuel available in industrial quantities for today and tomorrow
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- electricity = few autonomy and too expensive
- Hybrid = perfect but very expensive (see TOYOTA Prius: I looked at the price even after deduction of 2000 euros, we are far above an equivalent petrol or diesel vehicle).

So people will continue to buy Hdi / CDI diesel which consume little and pollute cities less with FAP.

This article gives us part of the answer on the criteria for choosing a vehicle (minimum consumption): how do you choose your car
The future is therefore resolutely turned towards cars that consume the least and why not towards greener cars?


By the way, our French leaders have forgotten the HVB stamps as in Germany for diesel vehicles. In reality I would be reconciled with diesel so pantonized and walking at the HVB ... there that suits me.

LPG buffs will continue to have their vehicles fitted out of the factory, but I no longer know if the 160g CO2 / km rule is applicable to obtain the 2000 euros bonus. I will go see in the forum GPLists. I think it works for old vehicles, I don't want to get ahead. If this is not the case, LPG vehicles will gradually disappear in favor of Hdi diesels or not and flex-fuel petrol (E85 accepted) but I do not know the price after deduction of 2000 euros (is it + expensive than a Hdi diesel?) or the consumption.
Too bad for LPG because there is a good distribution network throughout the territory and vehicles have not exploded since the installation of the new safety valve in 2000.

Do you have any information on the selling prices of "Flex-fuel" cars?

PS: it would be funny that the next time I buy an Hdi diesel, but I have information on the problems of engine reliability:
A former Renault employee had left a post on the subject (Nicobrur) I am trying to find it .... here it is, you have to read the 2nd part on the problems of Hdi and CDI engines .... that scare the hell out : Evil: =
post Nicobrur on Hdi / DCI motors
part of the text, but there is better at the end of the post TO READ in full !!!!
the HDI and DCI, I do not want either ... I worked at renault, I understand .... the pumps of these engines are, according to a training course on the common rail, mounted on rings and not on rolling .... there is therefore a rapid wear, and after about 200000km the pumps loose one after the other .... the injection system is such a precise micro a merdouille pete a high-pressure injector (250euros piece on a 2.2DCi space) how do I know the price of an injector by heart? not complicated, on the said spaces, to inject number 3 (do not ask me why the 3!) is influenza regularly and if it remains in open position, it burst the piston or the cylinder head gasket!
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by jean63 » 18/01/07, 10:52

For Rinoa and ... the other readers =>

A little info on biofuels:
Here is a very small extract from the article ( www.manicore.com ) of JM Jancovici extremely searched:
To produce 50 million tonnes of oil equivalent, it is therefore necessary to mobilize, in order of magnitude, 3 to 4 times the current agricultural land. Obviously this is not possible, and even satisfying 10% of the current consumption of transport with biofuels requires the mobilization of 30 to 40% of current agricultural land, not to mention substituting any oil for heating.

We can clearly see that the current biofuel sectors do not allow us to hope to replace "one day" what we consume today as oil, or even a significant fraction of it. Clearly, consider that it does not matter to have a lifestyle closely dependent on this liquid fuel, because "when the day comes" we will all be able to drive and heat ourselves with biofuel as it is produced today. , is unfortunately lulled into illusions


So, we should not dream too much about replacing oil with bio fuels, which has already been said elsewhere and denounced by the UFC that I think I should choose.

I'm going to taste Linoa on biofuels, but hey even if it doesn't replace all the oil, that's still it, but we send CO2 into the atmosphere during plowing (tractors), picking up (tractors and combine harvesters) ; the groundwater is polluted with fertilizers (nitrates); the soil is exhausted (intensive crops); we exhaust the resources in potable eaun ...... not very glorious on arrival !! : Evil:
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by Targol » 19/01/07, 10:16

jean63 wrote:(...) CNG = no pumps .... although


Yesterday I received a Citroën ad in my box and, among the different "classic" models, there was a CNG vehicle (a c3, I believe) and in the blah-bla next door, there was written that the car was supplied with a recharging station that GDF would install at your place on the town gas circuit. So the pump is at home.

jean63 wrote:Found in the site www.carburantgaznaturel.com :

Nearly 5 million vehicles worldwide, including 400 in Italy, run on natural gas fuel. As of today and by December 000, 2006 French people will have access for the first time to this smart, ecological and economical fuel, the only one currently available.
Publicize the advantages of this fuel, this is the mission of the National Information Center on natural gas fuel, the only clean fuel available in industrial quantities for today and tomorrow


This sentence alone is misinformation:
  • Natural gas, although less loaded with sulfur than petroleum-based fuels, remains a fossil fuel and, as such, its CO2 balance is dismal compared to "real" bio-fuels.
  • As for availability, I would like to remind you that natural gas is a non-renewable energy source and that its production peak is expected 20 years after that of oil (More info). If a significant number of vehicles start to run on this energy, it would certainly become a fuel available for today. For tomorrow, it remains to be seen.
  • One last thing about gas: I remind you that the majority of European gas comes from Russia and that, in addition to its price increased by 30% in one year, Putin is using this dependence to muzzle Europe. As soon as this fascist hears the word "Chechnya", he threatens to turn off the tap. Gas is therefore a "politically biased" energy ...
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