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Re: 100% SuperEthanol E85 in 205 carburetor




by Remundo » 28/01/19, 05:38

you have no risk on the engine if you do not exceed its enrichment capabilities. For a fuel, it is necessary to change the nozzles, to have + 30% of flow.
http://sycomoreen.free.fr/syco_Golf_GTE ... l#01062017
It is binding because if you go back to the gasoline, your engine will be force-fed (combustion too rich)

I would rather see the risk on your hoses, joints and fuel system, at the time all materials were not developed for ethanol, so with their natural aging, it can ooze.

maybe the easiest way for you would be to ride 50 / 50, you will have a slightly poor combustion, but it will make you consume much the same as gasoline, be careful not to accelerate like a brute without stopping, because in poor combustion, there is overheating of the high engine.
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Re: 100% SuperEthanol E85 in 205 carburetor




by Ray31 » 28/01/19, 06:40

this is where it may get stuck so you still have to make changes carbu level. I know nothing and finance level is the galley. mine is an 205 XS essence I forgot to specify double body, does it affect?
if I understand correctly I could not go back to gasoline coup it included fewer stations in France it may be hot.
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Re: 100% SuperEthanol E85 in 205 carburetor




by Remundo » 29/01/19, 18:47

changing sprinklers is not a very complex operation for a mechanic. We must especially choose the diameters, and adjust a little combustion with the screws.

we have nothing without nothing...

if you really do not have a thune, cut your gasoline 50% ethanol, it will save you some money.
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Re: 100% SuperEthanol E85 in 205 carburetor




by Ray31 » 30/01/19, 03:16

Hello
yes I have no money. so I take half gasoline and half ethanol and put it in the tank. How much do you think I would save? for example on a full, thing that I have never done since I have this car.
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Re: 100% SuperEthanol E85 in 205 carburetor




by Leo Maximus » 30/01/19, 12:38

1,369 € for the E10 and 0,699 € for the E85 in the nearest Total Access station.

For a full load of 40 liters in E10: 40 * 1,369 = 54,76

For a full load of 40 liters 50 / 50 in E10 + E85: (20 * 1,369) + (20 * 0,699) = 41,36 € (saving 13,40 €)

With 7 l / 100 km in E10 I can do 571 km to 0,096 € the km

With 8 l / 100 km 50 / 50 in E10 + E85 I can do 500 km to 0,083 the km

With the 50 / 50 in E10 / E85, you save 0,013 € per km or 1,318 € for 100 km.

Link : http://super-ethanol.com/forumE85/viewtopic.php?t=335
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Re: 100% SuperEthanol E85 in 205 carburetor




by SixK » 30/01/19, 14:04

@ Rai31,
Changing its sprinklers is not very complicated, but we must find the sprinklers in the right format and on an 205 which must date well,
disassembling the carb, I think you have to change the seals (they probably died after all this time).

The easiest way is to roll about 50% ethanol
With a double core, you will probably have a big hole in the cold acceleration, but hot it will work exactly like 100% gasoline with probably the engine a little more flexible.

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Re: 100% SuperEthanol E85 in 205 carburetor




by Ray31 » 02/02/19, 03:52

@sixK hello and thank you for answering me.
1) does this mean it's worth it to switch to bioethanol?
2) which sprinklers do you recommend for my 205 1987 1988 XS (TU) gasoline?
3) which joints exactly for the carb?

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Re: 100% SuperEthanol E85 in 205 carburetor




by SixK » 02/02/19, 19:19

You first need to identify your carburetor.

You could be satisfied to take only one seal of new tank (I do not know if it sells only),
but if you know a minimum in mechanics, you must change all the joints.

For seals, you need a kit like this (I do not know if this kit corresponds to your carburetor):
https://www.cipere.fr/fr/Peugeot/205/Ve ... /ANR72476/
There is also this site that can help you identify your carburetor:
http://b2h.fr/index.php/la-boutique-en- ... arburateur

For sprinklers here is a comment on a forum :
following the dismantling of 3 carbide 2 in xs and 1 carbide double body on 205 normal
the 205 xs 32-34 z2 jets: 117 (1er corp) and 130 (2eme corp)
205 92 32 34-2 120 (1er corp) 122 and 2 (XNUMXeme body)

You must increase the sprinklers by a few points.
I do not know if there is a rule to find the right ones directly. (original nozzle + 30%?)
Generally, you have to take several sprinklers and try them to find the one that suits the flow rate.
Personally, I think I would probably take 10 10 jets (see 7 7) between 117 and 170 points.
At about 10 euro the jet, necessarily, it will cost a little with this approach.
Good in addition to find or buy sprinklers, it is not necessarily simple. (Peugeot? Motorcycle accessory store?)

What to have in mind:
- The engine must run perfectly hot over its full speed range, no chatter, no choking and a rise in linear mode.

When you do not know, find the right settings for the carburetor, it takes time and we can end up getting lost.

Personally, I asked the question for my 4L, I already changed a jet on a motorcycle fueled by a change of exhaust a little too free which had made me lose power.
But given the little distance I travel with, I can afford to continue to ride the SP95-E10.
I still drove with about 40 / 50% ethanol. (same on R21 carburetor double body)
It requires warming up longer and playing more choke.
At this moment, I do not put any more, it is a little too cold and I just changed my head gasket (already sick, completed by ethanol cold grazing?) :)

Note that instead of increasing the sprinklers, you must also be able to clamp the air supply. (which is already more or less the starter)
It falls on the same issues of engine operation over its entire range of speed.

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