The lies of environmental activism on pollution

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Re: The lies of environmental activism on pollution




by Exnihiloest » 13/12/20, 21:49

Patrick Moore is an environmental activist who was part of the founding group of Greenpeace during the fight against atmospheric nuclear tests and against whaling.

Patrick Moore has thought a lot about the relationship between the human species and the environment. Unlike many environmentalists, his thoughts are based on a solid scientific culture. It is therefore not surprising that he has a much more nuanced position than his former ideological colleagues on many subjects: energy, forestry, plant protection products, chlorine, civilian nuclear power.

https://www.eyrolles.com/Litterature/Li ... 810009138/

Confessions of a repentant of Greenpeace. For a scientific and non-political ecology - Patrick MOORE
Released October 21, 2020
556 pages
Genre: Essays
ISBN: 9782810009138
25€

"Patrick Moore is one of the co-founders of Greenpeace. He recounts his early career as an activist ecologist, marked by successful experiences but also big failures.

It describes, in unequivocal terms and supported by numerous documents, how Greenpeace went from courageous and avant-garde challenges [] to anti-scientific commitments essentially built around North-South inequalities, dogmatically structured by climate issues.

According to Moore, Humanity is part of nature and we must take into account our presence and our needs in the use of resources. The goal cannot be to marginalize man out of respect for nature. Rather, the right question is how to refine and strengthen environmentally friendly "sustainable development" while meeting human needs.

Moore fights for political decisions to be based on science and not on absolutist and utopian beliefs, as radical environmentalists want. It deconstructs in particular the anti-chlorine positions of Greenpeace as well as the indiscriminate use of the term "toxic" in their campaigns. For him, the dangers of chemicals are primarily related to the duration of exposure and dosage. Used well, they have proven useful for the health and nutrition of millions of people around the world.
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Only common sense. Indeed we must not sacrifice ourselves for nature, and indeed ecologism has nothing to do with science, therefore nothing to do with ecology either. For Patrick Moore that only concerns radical environmentalists, but then radicals represent more than 3/4 of environmentalists, if I judge by their discourse that is never scientific but dogmatic, ideological and often purely false since it is a question of sowing terror.
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Re: The lies of environmental activism on pollution




by Janic » 14/12/20, 07:46

there are those who magnify the line and those who minimize it for obscure purposes!
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Re: The lies of environmental activism on pollution




by gildas » 14/12/20, 13:25

Hello,

Pollution is nevertheless significant in our rivers ...
In Loire-Atlantique, the member of the Water and Rivers Commission and president of an association denounce the failure of public policies in terms of water quality.

Jean-Luc Salvat and Jean Moreau, here at André Mouillé, owner of a roadway that crosses the Sèvre nantaise in Boussay. (© Hebdo de Sèvre et Maine)
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Posted on Nov 17, 20 at 13:48 p.m.
They are former millers, owners of pavements or daily and attentive observers of the Sèvre nantaise, a river located in Loire-Atlantique.

And no longer recognize the "river of their childhood", heavily degraded and polluted.

Like air, another “common heritage most precious to humanity”, they consider that river water is loaded with “toxic products that disrupt biodiversity”. They? They are Jean Moreau and Jean-Luc Salvat.

The first speaks as a member of the National Commission for Human Waters and Rivers. The second is president of the Association de la Sèvre Nantes and its tributaries.

France already condemned five times
The two officials condemn "the inconsistency" of the return to wild rivers, a policy which results in the leveling of roads and which "has no consequence on the quality of the water", they hammer home.



The one who is also the regional delegate in charge of the mills at the Heritage Foundation recalls, in passing, that France has been condemned five times by the European Court of Justice for its inability to improve the quality of surface water. “And this, despite the billions of euros swallowed up. "

"Rivers are full of toxic products"
“The problem is not in the splitting of rivers. But water pollution, a problem that the administration does not want to talk about, ”denounces Jean Moreau.

According to the two officials, rivers are full of toxic products "which disrupt the cycle of elements naturally present in river water": pesticides, hydrocarbons, plasticizers, drugs, elements from the chemical industry, poorly filtered urban waste ...

Quoting an article published in the journal The Conversation written by Hélène Blanchoud, lecturer in environmental chemistry at the Sorbonne, the duo stresses that "more than 100 substances, resulting from human activities, are found in rivers".


An invisible and aggravating pollution found in the water discharged into the sea.

A poor quality to be put into perspective with the "prefectural bans on fishing and swimming activities on the coast influenced by the Loire", asks Jean-Luc Salvat.

“In France, there is not yet a polluter-pays strategy, a strategy that exists for maritime pollution. Why does the state not act? ".

Jean-Luc Salvat
President of the Association de la Sèvre Nantes and its tributaries
Whistleblowers
“It's like measuring water quality based on the number of fish when the water is rotten. It has no value. It just shows that the conditions are right for new species to live here, ”condemns Jean Moreau.

The two men, witnesses to the deterioration of prices, denounce "a failure of public policies".

Worried about the future of rivers, they call for mobilization.

“We are afraid for our grandchildren. It is a public position. Everyone must have a civic spirit, ”claims Jean-Luc Salvat.

A position of whistleblower that recalls the complaint against X launched by a collective in the Clisson sector following cyanobacteria in the Sèvre Nantes area.

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Re: The lies of environmental activism on pollution




by Janic » 14/12/20, 18:15

only 100.000, it's not even worth talking about! : Evil:
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by Exnihiloest » 14/12/20, 19:43

Janic wrote:only 100.000, it's not even worth talking about! : Evil:

Obviously! What is important to know is the concentration of each and the thresholds of dangerousness. We have arsenic or uranium in the body itself. So what ? We have billions of billions of billions of atoms in the body, no wonder we can find anything there given the steady improvement in the means of detection.

If qualitative information such as "we found substances ...." are not accompanied by quantitative information, they do not prove anything, and we can be sure that it is either a message from environmental propaganda wielding the fear as usual, or that it comes from incompetent filth who understand nothing in science.
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by Janic » 14/12/20, 20:05

Obviously! What is important to know is the concentration of each and the thresholds of dangerousness. We have arsenic or uranium in the body itself. So what ? We have billions of billions of billions of atoms in the body, no wonder we can find anything there given the steady improvement in the means of detection. / Quote] ah, ah , ah! it stinks of the chemist who defends his beliefs and his business.
If qualitative information such as "we found substances ...." are not accompanied by quantitative information, they do not prove anything, and we can be sure that it is either a message from environmental propaganda wielding the fear as usual, or that it comes from incompetent filth who understand nothing in science.
and there you are part of it then! Both hydrogen and chlorine are safe in isolation, like nitrate and glycerin, but taken together they give a corrosive or explosive product and it is not a question of quantity but of presence. And there are only 2 common products, so 100.000, hello toxic soup! : Cry:
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by Exnihiloest » 14/12/20, 20:57

Janic wrote:... and there you are part of it then! ...


Argumentum ad personam => trash can
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Re: The lies of environmental activism on pollution




by Forhorse » 14/12/20, 22:10

It's you who must be put in the trash, you and your nauseous subjects ...
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by Janic » 15/12/20, 08:46

or that it comes from incompetent filth who understand nothing about science.
and there you are part of it then!
Was it me or you who brought up these incompetent people in question?Argumentum ad personam => trash can, my reflection, by comparison, was that you were part of it! incompetent filths who understand nothing of science. as if you, you posed in absolute type reference! It is indeed proud and stupid!
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by Exnihiloest » 15/12/20, 19:13

Forhorse wrote:It's you who must be put in the trash, you and your nauseous subjects ...


The opinion of the fascists attacking freedom of expression, nothing to worry about.
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