Which crusher to produce BRF (Raméal Fragmented Wood)?

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Re: Which crusher to produce BRF (Bois Raméal Fragmenté)?




by Ahmed » 08/03/21, 23:41

Since the installation of the new outlet chute, only one blockage has been observed, but it is my fault: at the end of the heap of branches of various origins I passed fine and long strands in bundles. If I had anticipated and mixed a little with coarser antlers, it would have passed as a letter in the mail ... Only the chute was full, so not too difficult to empty ...
Crushing of a branch of an old cherry tree felled by the neighbor; rather twisted branches requiring a little preparation, but very fast grinding thanks to the same neighbor who passes me the branches ... Soon, a bunch of apple tree branches and various leafy trees will complete the heap of crushed material that will cover my future patch of potatoes. .. 8)
On my chute, I cut the temporary false cap and replaced it with another made of thin sheet metal so that it could be easily bent to the desired angle: it is the simplest system for this category of machine. For the experiment I welded it, but in a final version I will opt for a fixing by pressure of a targeted screed: it is difficult to weld the small thicknesses, especially since the sheet that I have used is zinc-plated on the outside and oxidized on the inside ... : roll: I will put you a photo, I promise, I swear ... :P

Yesterday I attended a shredding session of large aucuba branches with a German-designed Eliet brand shredder (Maestro model). I have always been very reluctant about the design of this mulcher: the tool-holder shaft is located in the extension of the motor shaft and the cutting tools are triangular knives (like mower sections) arranged either obliquely, or in line with the introduction chute. The latter is of reduced section, provided with a metal valve articulated on rubber buffers ... This particular arrangement of the knives prohibits the presence of a counter blade and this has several unfortunate consequences, from my point of view. First, the large ends tend to get stuck between the knives and block the motor, then and vice versa, the softer ends and the leaves are not pulled and are difficult to pass through the chamber. chopped off. As big ends are cut, a calibration grid is necessary and keeps them in the chamber up to the required dimension (this explains the very sturdy valve, because the returns are numerous and brutal). In short, many stops marked this session, for a fairly modest volume of branches treated. According to the operator, the other previously crushed plants were in much better conditions. There would therefore be a strong sensitivity to the nature of the branching treated; anyway, the narrowness of the introduction chute implies meticulous defourching, the cutting system requires a lot of introduction effort and the capacity of the basket forced to frequent stops (notwithstanding blockages or jams) . It does not grind even a little soft plants well, but perhaps it is more comfortable with dry branches than our Chinese grinders? Anyway, the overall efficiency of this device, quite equivalent in terms of motorization (but much more expensive) is far from reaching the performance we are used to ...
In the particular case observed here, the ground material obtained was very fine (logical, due to the calibration grid) and well suited to certain uses, such as strawberry mulching.
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Re: Which crusher to produce BRF (Bois Raméal Fragmenté)?




by Ahmed » 04/04/21, 21:05

In recent days fairly rapid crushing of several pending heaps. At the end of the exercise, I notice that the rotor continues to turn while the engine remains at idle; a stop followed by a restart confirms my hypothesis: the centrifugal clutch has a serious problem and no longer plays its role. The next day, dismantling which fully confirms the prognosis. Very pronounced wear of the parts of the clutch and, more serious, the two bearings of the pulley are out of order, including the end one which is seized and has partially "puffed" the axis of the engine crankshaft ...
Although this device has done a lot of work in the four years since its acquisition, I am surprised that a part that is supposed to be stressed only when the rotor is started is in this condition. I said to myself that temporarily it may be possible to turn the clutch over, on condition of course to change the bearings ... But finding bearings with these strange dimensions quickly turns out to be an impossible mission: neither in metric standard, nor in American standard. They do not even appear in the customer catalog of the Chinese manufacturer and it turns out that most likely the mill factory, located in the same area, runs these bearings at dedicated and off-the-shelf dimensions!
I order a new clutch from the seller, Agri Euro, and ask for those pesky bearings; I am satisfied with the first point, but nothing to do for the second. I said to myself that a solution would be to take two standard bearings a little larger, to sleeve on the axis and to re-bore the housing of the bearings in the pulley (there is the place), so the problem would not rest any more. However, a closer look reveals that the bearing seating is quite problematic and it is likely an overhang that is responsible for locking this end bearing. In addition, the "puff" part singularly complicates matters. I therefore decided to do without this poorly implemented clutch, to make a motor shaft / pulley adapter (in order to secure these two parts) and to operate either directly (if it is not too painful to start), or to mount a belt clutch (a roller which presses on floating belts), as on much more powerful chippers. To have...
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On the photo, we see the output of the crankshaft and I present the three moving parts of the clutch system (those equipped with ferrodo): we can distinguish (well, it's not super clear) on the top one which is the most visible that the right part, that which is in contact with the drive nut, is seriously hollowed out irregularly.
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Re: Which crusher to produce BRF (Bois Raméal Fragmenté)?




by eclectron » 05/04/21, 09:59

Ahmed wrote: I notice that the rotor continues to rotate while the engine remains at idle; a stop...

You confirm to me that the Eliet crushers (the principle) is not great.
I had hesitated before buying the Agri Euro. : Wink:

Indeed with the Agri Euro, the cut of dry wood that I practiced at the beginning, several m3, wears out the blades but it works anyway. the hardest wood I have passed being ash.
Li'deal remains the green wood, without leaves (so as not to block the original extraction chute).
in case of jam, and not to disassemble, I made a small hook with a threaded rod twisted by hand that I had in stock. a handle and a 'hook' in L, quite simply.
I go back up the jam even with the rotating rotor but you have to be careful not to go too low, otherwise disaster and danger ...
Once the outlet is a little unblocked and dust begins to come out, the crusher ejects the rest.


On the other hand, you do not reassure me about the longevity of the Agri Euro ... another 2 years of life for mine? : Lol:

The manual clutch is not a bad idea, as on professional shredders, by tensioning the belts.
On the other hand it requires tinkering ...

For your problem, a profitable (?) But not sustainable option : Lol: , rather than changing the bearings, outright changing the engine.
there are 7.5hp on ebay for less than 100 €.
or even switch to 13cv / 14cv but there you have to add tickets ...
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Re: Which crusher to produce BRF (Bois Raméal Fragmenté)?




by Ahmed » 05/04/21, 12:40

With regard to hardwood, two things must be distinguished: on the one hand, the energy required to cut the same diameter is much greater than that required for green wood (we can experiment with a simple pruner), on the other hand, these blades are quite "soft" soaked and are therefore easily chipped; the downside being that they are very unlikely to break under impact. There are sophisticated heat treatments and alloys that make it possible to reconcile hardness and solidity, but it is more expensive ...
Before buying my small chippers, a landscaper friend could have lent me an Eliet that he had for his personal use, but I was not interested, since knowing this device.
Stuffing issues are a thing of the past to me, and I like chopping leafy branches for the interesting C / N ratio ...
I do not plan to change the engine, this one works wonderfully and it would be a monstrous waste (not sustainable, as you say!), Even if it would be playable from a strictly pecuniary point of view (it is the paradox of our functioning).
We can indeed regret that a simple sloppy design is the cause of this serious malfunction which would have led this device to be broken in someone less determined than me! A more careful realization would have had no consequence in the manufacturing price, but as with all these goods, their real purpose is not to render a service (that's the visible part!), But to produce abstract value. I was aware of this during my purchase and knew that I would be able to remedy these foreseeable failures at a later date: the mechanical basis remains interesting.

PS: you might want to check your clutch and the bearings before the same damage occurs on yours. In particular, you can have a positive action on the bearings by delicately blowing their covers, cleaning them (brushing, solvent), greasing them, then refitting their sealing covers (you must also invert them, which implies to locate them when removing ...) ...
Note: I have a new clutch available! :P
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by eclectron » 06/04/21, 07:15

Thank you for the advice for the bearings. : Wink: I just have to take the time and remember ... I know myself, always better to do ... : roll:

Ahmed wrote: the mechanical basis remains interesting.

yes and repairable (a priori), the rotor should be puncture-proof.
I even planned to spend one day with an electric motor, when the 'Mad Max' era will be our daily life. : Wink:
powered by PV + battery + inverter.

There was an electric version of this shredder (4hp), probably without a clutch (?)
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Re: Which crusher to produce BRF (Bois Raméal Fragmenté)?




by Ahmed » 06/04/21, 08:18

We must be positive: this shredder is ideal for those who appreciate "tuning", although here it is less on the aesthetics than on the functionality that it is necessary to show interventionism! :D
I insist on the need to visit the pulley bearings: mine escaped elongated, hard and black "droppings" and a timely overhaul would have prolonged their existence for sure.

As for my modification I will have to switch to longer belts, I will have the current set available + another completely new set which is in reserve ... Notice to amateurs! : Wink:
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by Ahmed » 25/05/21, 18:52

After mounting in a fixed pulley (without centrifugal clutch) and testing, it turns out that the force to be produced is very great and it is impossible to start in this configuration, which I had assumed. Therefore, plan B is essential ...
After receiving a strap the length immediately greater than the original ones for experimentation, I turn around the machine quite a bit to see which end to take it. I start by adjusting the vertical alignment of the pulleys by adjusting the motor on its plates (elongated holes), it will always be better than the initial assembly and it does not eat bread.
After a careful exploration of my cps *, I think an auto engine timing roller would do the trick, although with a diameter (60 mm) a little small in my eyes ... It remains to be seen how to fix it. , which will take me a lot of thinking time ... Finally, I fix it on a suitably offset flat and choose as axis another distribution roller widened by a ring to be at the right dimension. It remains to determine the means of maintaining it in the working position and of being able to release it quickly. A rod welded to the axle of the wheels will do the trick once it has a sliding adjustable stop; after having considered making a loop on the round iron support to obtain the flexibility necessary for the required movement, I opted in extremis to insert a sofa spring (I have a collection!). The disadvantage of the device lies in its great flexibility and its travel in all directions while I only need one direction, ... however, in practice, it works very well and it is very easy to realize, since it suffices to fit the 2 sides of the spring in a round with the appropriate caliber: no need for small parts always long to shape and adjust 8) .
Crusher test satisfactory: easy start, rotor begins to be driven from idle, but that's okay and could probably be avoided by putting stress lugs on either side of the drive pulley ... to see. I only use small birch branches, since I only have one transmission belt at the moment. This morning, I ordered the second belt.
In photos, the 2 positions of this clutch in its "test" version. The clamp is used to prevent the vertical rod from sliding on the flat which supports the roller; it will of course be replaced by a welded stopper in the final version, which also supposes the adaptation of the cover to this new configuration.
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Re: Which crusher to produce BRF (Bois Raméal Fragmenté)?




by Flytox » 25/05/21, 23:36

Well the belt tensioner 8)

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by Ahmed » 26/05/21, 08:07

Thanks for the appreciation!
What do you mean:
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by Flytox » 26/05/21, 22:39

I had not looked at your photos well enough (not very sharp) and so it seemed surprising to me that you did not use belts whose inner face is segmented for winding on a smaller diameter and which support bending the chine in the opposite direction of the "normal" winding.
But you did the right thing (besides the blurry photo : Mrgreen: ).
I like your machine and your mods. 8)
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