Which crusher to produce BRF (Raméal Fragmented Wood)?

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Re: What mill to produce BRF?




by eclectron » 03/04/20, 10:08

Ahmed wrote:Perhaps a rotor crusher of identical design to those which we both use, but on PTO behind a tractor would be a good solution in your case? : Idea:
The only device that meets this criterion (rotor) is this: https://www.triadegreenworld.com/broyeu ... oints-pto/
All the other small grinders have equipped with a disc, an economical choice, but less satisfactory from my point of view.

I tried to find out about the price of a professional electric shredder (mains and / or batteries), but ... Covid19 ... :frown:

I am thinking of volunteering and easily transporting my shredder.
That supposes a removable third wheel in the spirit of what you did to move it easily on the ground and to be able to assemble it easily on my car trailer: ramps and electric winch because it is still heavy.
The winch may be luxury, but when you're alone, I don't know.

In the same logic I think that the municipality could pay the model above ours which is in the 1500 €.

Unless the Mayor is generous, he has a pro self-crawler mower crawler ... a small one that can go from 150mm all the same.
He had offered it to me but on the one hand it's attractive to ask for favors all the time and on the other hand if I had damaged it for an X or Y reason, it would have cost me an arm.

All this must germinate! : Lol:
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Re: What mill to produce BRF?




by Ahmed » 03/04/20, 10:29

The crusher behind a small tractor seems to me more suited to the use you describe and solves mobility problems (from memory, its price is in the 1500 €, therefore equivalent to the thermal model superior to ours).
Mounting our crusher on ramps is quite delicate (risk of slipping) and can be played more easily by two ... A winch is another solution, but the distribution on three wheels requires the manual maintenance of the crusher during traction (therefore remote control) ... The descent obviously causes less worry ...
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Re: What mill to produce BRF?




by Paul72 » 03/04/20, 11:34

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Ahmed wrote:Yes, a shredder that can be towed by a light vehicle (3T5 from the town?); Home delivery is done with qualified personnel (safety of people and also of the machine!), This is what the city of Chalon / Saône had set up, but it is an option to be discussed with the municipality...

OK, we do not play in the same court in terms of means (300 inhabitants)
I'm going to have to find another much more economical solution, more focused on volunteering and that supposes for the volunteer to be convinced.
No municipal truck but personal tractors. At least one person has a grinder on a tractor.
To convince him to be a volunteer .... I don't know. He still does the BRF for himself.
I have to think about all this ...

Paul72 wrote:Vegetable fires are prohibited by law ... : Shock:

Yes, and I'm the police! : Lol:
In fact people don't care, they set fire and get out.
and the few people who live nearby, it's not their problem ...
"We have to burn!"
I even had one that caused things to burn from the nearby town. "well it's the countryside!" , it disturbs in the city but not under my windows obviously.
The hedge that separates us can stop the sight but not the smoke.
So get angry ...

the other unstoppable argument "I never burn" (well yes the proof!) or "I only burn once a year", yes like all the others, each in turn ....

By dint of moaning, it seems to work but I have to hit them all one by one ...
it allows to get to know each other. : Lol:


My neighbor does not even have a vegetable patch, but by dint of undergoing his weekly pluri fires (so as not to go to the recycling center), I had to use almost all the resources to stop him (up to the gendarmerie, the mayor could not make him hear reason). there we are finally quiet ...
And the peasants who make a big hole in the middle of the field, and put to burn all the shaved hedges around the field to make room for corn. it dies for days and hello air and soil pollution (everything is concentrated in one point)
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Re: What mill to produce BRF?




by Ahmed » 03/04/20, 21:29

This afternoon, a little grinding session to keep in shape 8) : a few branches of Douglas fallen by the wind, a few prunings from a neighbor and especially the branches of the cherry tree from another. This last batch produced a fine and regular shred that I will use to reload my strawberry boards: it will be easy to spread it between these low plants ... :P
The neighbors are very happy and in this period without recycling centers, it avoids unhealthy and smoke-producing temptations ...
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Re: What mill to produce BRF?




by GuyGadebois » 03/04/20, 21:34

Ahmed wrote:This afternoon, a little grinding session to keep in shape ...

Fingers, joints, .... ??? : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:
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Re: What mill to produce BRF?




by eclectron » 04/04/20, 11:04

Paul72 wrote:My neighbor does not even have a vegetable patch, but by dint of undergoing his weekly pluri fires (so as not to go to the recycling center), I had to use almost all the resources to stop him (up to the gendarmerie, the mayor could not make him hear reason). there we are finally quiet ...
And the peasants who make a big hole in the middle of the field, and put to burn all the shaved hedges around the field to make room for corn. it dies for days and hello air and soil pollution (everything is concentrated in one point)

You are lucky that the gendarmerie moves for this and reactively.
I was entitled to "see the mayor", and we "may pass, if we have the time" implying when everything is finished. :D
and the same mayor, unreachable at the right time so not reactive ...

But hey people do not like to be in default and to be seen as a bad neighbor by my place, so despite often the bad faith of the departure, they do not do it again.
But like kids you have to tell them all, one by one ...

Agri is something else ... even the Mayor is a fan of the match, so ... : Lol:
He even had the suspenders pulled up by the gendarmerie which was passing, for burning (smoking for days : Lol: ) a wasteland near the city ...
But in the village we are far from the rounds ...
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Re: What mill to produce BRF?




by eclectron » 04/04/20, 11:09

Ahmed wrote:This afternoon, a little grinding session to keep in shape 8) : a few branches of Douglas fallen by the wind, a few prunings from a neighbor and especially the branches of the cherry tree from another. This last batch produced a fine and regular shred that I will use to reload my strawberry boards: it will be easy to spread it between these low plants ... :P
The neighbors are very happy and in this period without recycling centers, it avoids unhealthy and smoke-producing temptations ...

It was morning. : Lol:
By the way about the Douglas (stratospheric which blocks my light : Lol: ) a neighbor told me that if he were his Douglas, it would make them die, is it true?
I have topped several trees at home and they are growing back.
Certainly cutting can bring diseases.
Is the Douglas particular on the point of topping?
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Re: What mill to produce BRF?




by Ahmed » 04/04/20, 11:42

No, topping a Douglas-fir, no more than another coniferous tree will cause its death (there are even coniferous trees which reject outright stock!), But it is not an operation that I recommend on a practical level.
Indeed, as one can easily see, these trees have a strong apical dominance (in short, the main stem grows straight!) And the fact of cutting the arrow will cause the growth of additional stems located towards the place of sectioning ( it is a "hormonal" phenomenon); Starting from lateral buds, these stems will tend to straighten out under the effect of auxins and will form a bouquet which will replace the old single arrow fairly quickly. This gain in height will therefore be very temporary and will induce a possible greater fragility of the replacement rods (and greater wind resistance!).

Note: maybe your neighbor is looking for a good excuse to avoid fees? :P

It is also just as contraindicated to carry out such an operation on hardwoods, because the result is of the same order. It should also be noted that in all cases, the restoration of the original height (the one from which we wanted to be free) takes place very quickly due to the imbalance thus created between the leaf mass and the root mass. Any imbalance tends to be restored: here, the root reserves will come to the aid of the foliage (on which the roots depend); otherwise (significant removal of roots with intact foliage) there will also be an attempt to rebalance, but often unsuccessful, because leaf evapotranspiration cannot be compensated by the supply of water to the deficient root system.
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Re: What mill to produce BRF?




by eclectron » 04/04/20, 12:31

Ahmed wrote:No, topping a Douglas-fir, no more than another coniferous tree will cause its death (there are even coniferous trees which reject outright stock!), But it is not an operation that I recommend on a practical level.
Indeed, as one can easily see, these trees have a strong apical dominance (in short, the main stem grows straight!) And the fact of cutting the arrow will cause the growth of additional stems located towards the place of sectioning ( it is a "hormonal" phenomenon); Starting from lateral buds, these stems will tend to straighten out under the effect of auxins and will form a bouquet which will replace the old single arrow fairly quickly. This gain in height will therefore be very temporary and will induce a possible greater fragility of the replacement rods (and greater wind resistance!).

Note: maybe your neighbor is looking for a good excuse to avoid fees? :P

It is also just as contraindicated to carry out such an operation on hardwoods, because the result is of the same order. It should also be noted that in all cases, the restoration of the original height (the one from which we wanted to be free) takes place very quickly due to the imbalance thus created between the leaf mass and the root mass. Any imbalance tends to be restored: here, the root reserves will come to the aid of the foliage (on which the roots depend); otherwise (significant removal of roots with intact foliage) there will also be an attempt to rebalance, but often unsuccessful, because leaf evapotranspiration cannot be compensated by the supply of water to the deficient root system.

Thank you, I would sleep less stupid tonight! : Lol:
Not sure if to remember everything ... : Lol:

In fact it is curious, there are about twenty years at our arrival, it is my neighbor himself who told me that the variety punctures following a topping, so he would never touch it except to kill them .
I almost told her, I don't care they don't bother me at all and until then ....
Here we are : Lol:

I think he firmly believes it because he severely pruns all hardwoods nearby but never touches his beautiful Douglas ... : roll:
Unfortunately, I don't have a lot of south windows and as if by chance his Douglas is in front, which protects him from the north wind! : Lol:
In winter the lack of light / solar gain is felt at home.
I also think of putting PV on the roof, so it would be shade at the best hours, winter.
I haven't told her about it yet, but when the opportunity arises, I won't miss it. : Wink:
it's going to be hard to fight against an ingrained belief ...
It was not the opposite that generated it if it reduced them, no I think he believes it ...
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Re: What mill to produce BRF?




by Ahmed » 04/04/20, 14:35

Nature has integrated this process well known to specialists in the matter and it is called "descent from the top". It is an adaptation which aims at the survival of the tree during severe stress, such as prolonged summer drought: the top of the tree dries up, which ipso facto reduces water consumption. This adaptive mechanism works well in hardwoods, because even if it also manifests itself in softwoods, it is often the harbinger of total dieback ...
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