Yes, it is surprising. We always think that "action of the cold" is synonymous with "action of the frost" !!! While at the right stage, the plants are very sensitive ... In general, it is at this stage that they are taken out of the greenhouses or frames, to harden them (we think!). Result: they "go up" ... Another fine example of a "counter-intuitive" technical gesture ...
While the small seedling was extremely resistant to cold and frost (at least - 6 or - 8 ° for celery). But she, we "protected", almost "brood"!
Hence the untimely seedling, attributed ... to the moon! Because who remembers that it was + 9 ° C for a few days in April when your celeriacs had 6 leaves? It was the famous "in April, don't take things straight away!" - and therefore "normal" and therefore not recorded as an event ...
The vegetable garden without getting tired
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Did67 wrote:The cold snap at the end of April ????
It would be fine-tuned - staggering 10-day seedlings in 10 days.
OK, but then which ones to transplant? Fifty fifty? A mix? Those of the last seedlings? Those who have suffered / experienced optimal temperatures?
Didier, why don't the seed companies give more information on the subject? I have an old Clause guide that is very silent on this!
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Did67 wrote:Yes, it is surprising. We always think that "action of the cold" is synonymous with "action of the frost" !!! While at the right stage, the plants are very sensitive ... In general, it is at this stage that they are taken out of the greenhouses or frames, to harden them (we think!). Result: they "go up" ... Another fine example of a "counter-intuitive" technical gesture ...
While the small seedling was extremely resistant to cold and frost (at least - 6 or - 8 ° for celery). But she, we "protected", almost "brood"!
Hence the untimely seedling, attributed ... to the moon! Because who remembers that it was + 9 ° C for a few days in April when your celeriacs had 6 leaves? It was the famous "in April, don't take things straight away!" - and therefore "normal" and therefore not recorded as an event ...
To meditate on and above all to remember.
La luna has a good back. When I miss something, I blame it. When on the other hand I do well, it is almost always thanks to my flair!
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Did67 wrote:
In general, it is at this stage that they are taken out of the greenhouses or frames, to harden them (we think!). Result: they "go up" ... Another good example of a "counter-intuitive" technical gesture ....
So you have to take them out at the right time. How to choose the right time?
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What if the solution was to simply stop planting indoors?
Seeds / seeds would germinate at their convenience, right? And therefore the risk of vernalization would be greatly reduced.
Look at the forgotten potatoes from the previous harvest or the seeds of cucurbits, who tells them it's time to germinate ???
Seeds / seeds would germinate at their convenience, right? And therefore the risk of vernalization would be greatly reduced.
Look at the forgotten potatoes from the previous harvest or the seeds of cucurbits, who tells them it's time to germinate ???
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Biobombe wrote:Did67 wrote:
In general, it is at this stage that they are taken out of the greenhouses or frames, to harden them (we think!). Result: they "go up" ... Another good example of a "counter-intuitive" technical gesture ....
So you have to take them out at the right time. How to choose the right time?
I looked at the weather forecast for two weeks, and the thermometers in my frames. When it came to transplanting them, it was too risky to put them in the vegetable garden (I could have finally, but when it was necessary to decide, I did not want to take the risk). I put them in individual cups in my chassis, in which the temperature no longer dropped below 12 °. And I transplanted them only at the beginning of May in the vegetable garden.
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Biobombe wrote:
OK, but then which ones to transplant? Fifty fifty? A mix? Those of the last seedlings? Those who have suffered / experienced optimal temperatures?
Didier, why don't the seed companies give more information on the subject? I have an old Clause guide that is very silent on this!
I was under the assumption:
a) we do not know in advance (although by being attentive, we can get an idea of the risk of ascent!)
[This notion of "risk", at the base of agriculture - which has always been a management of risk - has disappeared from our minds of modern spoiled children, who find everything in the supermarket - our reasoning is: "if I do well as it should, I MUST obtain the announced result ... "]
b) we plant everything and then we will see: we do not have all the eggs in the same basket!
- the first basket will produce more, because it will have been in the ground longer, at a period more favorable to growth; but, if no luck, it will go to seed!
- the second will not go to seed, but will perhaps have less growth: shorter cycle, drought ...
Neither is ideal. But, in advance, we do not know !!! So no right answer to your question - it's annoying. Every year, I would tell you in August what should have been done !!!!
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That said, if there is not enough space, if you record the temperatures at ground level (hence the interest of probes of the type used by Adrien), if you have reliable information on the "temperature / duration" pairs. which triggers vernalization for the variety in question (varietal sensitivity is very different), you can decide to release your first wave very early if it has vernalized, without waiting for the verdict by the rise in seeds!
But that's a lot of "ifs" - especially the last one!
But that's a lot of "ifs" - especially the last one!
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Biobombe wrote:So you have to take them out at the right time. How to choose the right time?
Beware of cold periods below + 8 ° C ... (order of magnitude) ... Or put back in the greenhouse or the frame if this occurs during the hardening phase in pots or plates ...
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Biobombe wrote:Didier, why don't the seed companies give more information on the subject? I have an old Clause guide that is very silent on this!
Because gardening is still largely dominated by "recipes of the ancients" - empirical knowledge. Sometimes true. And sometimes wrong - because of ignorance. Today we go over re-sucked from the guides of the 50s! 1850 I mean!
I wrote in my second book that gardening literature is particularly "inbred" - we repeat the same thing!
Incidentally, they sell better when they "reassure" - if they say it's complicated, yeah! nobody is going to buy - neither the guide, nor the seeds ... So we give the "average recipes" ... And if that does not work, the gardener consoles himself: option a) - he does not have a green thumb ; b) - it is the moon. So he reassures himself ...
There are only a few fadas like me to write "anti-guides" ... But look at the Amazon ranking! It is better, if you want to make numbers, to stay classic! The "enchanters" are in front ...
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