Are Bt GMOs ecological?

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Re: Are Bt GMOs ecological?




by sen-no-sen » 25/11/19, 21:22

realistic ecology wrote:More ... GMOs ARE an alternative path! Classical agriculture is less and less able to meet current needs, organic agriculture even less. Many needs are artificial, fashion (which requires cotton), SUV, meat in quantity, etc. But this is artificial only in the developed consumer countries. But the needs of five billion, soon seven, in Africa, Asia, Central and South America, are not artificial. We can not afford not to meet those needs.
Other alternative paths? the most popular route now is to raze the forest.


This reasoning is hardly convincing, particularly because of the Jevons paradox, more commonly called "rebound effect".
This stipulates as technological improvements increase the efficiency with which a resource is used, the total consumption of that resource may increase rather than decrease.https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradoxe_de_Jevons
And the examples are not lacking in this area! The contemporary era is only a large-scale implementation of this paradox!

It is important to understand this:the use of a technique to adapt to a situation induced by a given process will almost always be the best option. It is an immanent reasoning that appears correct...ostensibly.
The logical mistake here is that this solution is actually totally captive to the global problem it is supposed to solve.

: Arrow: Ex the population increases : Arrow: we must resort to exceptional means of overtaking to feed the population. : Arrow: By resorting to his means, the problem is amplified until it reaches a stabilization leading to the standardization of the implementation of its new techniques. This is typically a type effect. red queen.
Once the stabilization threshold is reached, it is no longer possible to go back ...
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Re: Are Bt GMOs ecological?




by Stef72 » 26/11/19, 10:03

You are very patient with "realistic ecology", let him dream of his miracle GMOs, he is not there to reflect on the subject, but he tries to sow doubt and convert.
Worthy of some extremist #nofakescience.

I would prefer #nocorruptedscience

The financial aspect of these ogm seeds belonging to the super-powerful multinational is very worrying. Just for that I'll be suspicious.
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Re: Are Bt GMOs ecological?




by izentrop » 26/11/19, 11:26

I do not know who is the most patient here, but one of the poorest countries on the planet has adopted them successfully, I had already talked about it here, but it went unnoticed. I quote the IFRI study again http://www.ifpri.org/blog/impact-study- ... -more-less
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Re: Are Bt GMOs ecological?




by realistic ecology » 26/11/19, 11:29

sen-no-sen wrote:
realistic ecology wrote:More ... GMOs ARE an alternative path! Classical agriculture is less and less able to meet current needs, organic agriculture even less. Many needs are artificial, fashion (which requires cotton), SUV, meat in quantity, etc. But this is artificial only in the developed consumer countries. But the needs of five billion, soon seven, in Africa, Asia, Central and South America, are not artificial. We can not afford not to meet those needs.
Other alternative paths? the most popular route now is to raze the forest.


This reasoning is hardly convincing, particularly because of the Jevons paradox, more commonly called "rebound effect".
This stipulates as technological improvements increase the efficiency with which a resource is used, the total consumption of that resource may increase rather than decrease.https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradoxe_de_Jevons
And the examples are not lacking in this area! The contemporary era is only a large-scale implementation of this paradox!

It is important to understand this:the use of a technique to adapt to a situation induced by a given process will almost always be the best option. It is an immanent reasoning that appears correct...ostensibly.
The logical mistake here is that this solution is actually totally captive to the global problem it is supposed to solve.

: Arrow: Ex the population increases : Arrow: we must resort to exceptional means of overtaking to feed the population. : Arrow: By resorting to his means, the problem is amplified until it reaches a stabilization leading to the standardization of the implementation of its new techniques. This is typically a type effect. red queen.
Once the stabilization threshold is reached, it is no longer possible to go back ...

=> This reasoning is hardly convincing, in particular because of the paradox of Jevons, more commonly called "rebound effect".
Indeed. I approached the rebound effect about the insulation of apartments for example: we see that in better insulated homes, occupants take advantage of this to gain comfort with higher temperatures in their homes, without worrying about saving energy.

Energy efficiency, rebound effect

The rebound effect “constitutes a major obstacle to so-called“ green growth ”growth policies” (strategic analysis center - organization of reflection, expertise and consultation placed with the Prime Minister - 2013)

But here it is not a question of satisfying a request for additional comfort, it is a question of preparing to feed 3 billions of mouths and more.
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Re: Are Bt GMOs ecological?




by realistic ecology » 26/11/19, 11:31

Stef72 wrote:You are very patient with "realistic ecology", let him dream of his miracle GMOs, he is not there to reflect on the subject, but he tries to sow doubt and convert.

A revealing message ...
Are you afraid of doubt?
What is the point of thinking when there is no doubt?
The reflection, the search for facts, begin when there is doubt. Otherwise we are in faith.
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Re: Are Bt GMOs ecological?




by GuyGadebois » 26/11/19, 13:05

izentrop wrote:I do not know who is the most patient here, but one of the poorest countries on the planet has adopted them successfully, I had already talked about it here, but it went unnoticed. I quote the IFRI study again http://www.ifpri.org/blog/impact-study- ... -more-less

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In a country plagued by corruption, this "infomercial" is not worth a tripette ...
https://www.infogm.org/5887-bangladesh- ... -officiels
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Re: Are Bt GMOs ecological?




by Moindreffor » 26/11/19, 13:38

GuyGadebois wrote:
izentrop wrote:I do not know who is the most patient here, but one of the poorest countries on the planet has adopted them successfully, I had already talked about it here, but it went unnoticed. I quote the IFRI study again http://www.ifpri.org/blog/impact-study- ... -more-less

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In a country plagued by corruption, this "infomercial" is not worth a tripette ...
https://www.infogm.org/5887-bangladesh- ... -officiels

it is amazing as some subjects treated in France, small country of 60 millions of inhabitants are with the hope to lead the world
it is the "human rights" syndrome, the French think that France is still the first world power and that its voice counts and that we still influence world policies, that the carbon tax that we want to impose on us will save the planet, that developing organic farming here will save world agriculture, that the refusal of GMOs in France will stop their exploitation or research in the world, that the refusal of glyphosate will destroy Monsanto

let's be serious when in France we mow an experimental field of GMOs, we applaud with both hands these precursors and these visionaries, while at the same time around the world we cultivate and consume what is planted on millions of hectares

France is going to ban the cultivated bio under heated greenhouse, and put a logo to report it on the products, is Spain and thousands of hectares of greenhouse going to do the same?

France becomes this little Gallic village that resists, and who really thinks that he holds the Truth and that the whole world is wrong, except that we have not yet invented the magic potion that makes us win each time at the end
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Re: Are Bt GMOs ecological?




by sen-no-sen » 26/11/19, 13:48

realistic ecology wrote:But here it is not a question of satisfying a request for additional comfort, it is a question of preparing to feed 3 billions of mouths and more.


The rebound effect does not only concern the comfort sector, it is valid in all areas.
So how do we stop the race for growth if we satisfy it?
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Re: Are Bt GMOs ecological?




by GuyGadebois » 26/11/19, 13:49

Moindreffor wrote:France becomes this little Gallic village that resists, and who really thinks that he holds the Truth and that the whole world is wrong, except that we have not yet invented the magic potion that makes us win each time at the end

Hula, you're tired, you!
Fortunately, some (all over the world) resist against the globalist dictatorship and its mortifying programs presented under idyllic outside while they are only destruction, misery, corruption and lies.
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Re: Are Bt GMOs ecological?




by Ahmed » 26/11/19, 14:22

Sen-no-sen, you write:
The rebound effect does not only concern the comfort sector, it is valid in all areas.

Jevons discovered this phenomenon by noting that the improvement of steam engines (and therefore their lower unit coal consumption) resulted in a considerable increase in overall consumption. The interest of this observation is due to its absolutely general character.

Ideology liberal instrumentalizes these 3 billion people who could only be "saved" by GMOs, but admitting that it works * (?), the subsequent population increase that would result (within the framework of a purely theoretical reasoning, because reality ...) would justify even more sophisticated technologies and so on ... Far from resolving anything, GMOs and all the techniques which aim to control the food sovereignty of peoples can only increase the dependence of more deprived: this political aspect is carefully evacuated by this ideology which claims to summarize any problem only from a technical angle.

* School hypothesis!
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