Le Potager du Sloth: Gardening without fatigue more than Bio

[VetusLignum]

I do not shave my hedge on the north side. I'm just saying she pisses me off TOO!

And do you have a hedge on the south side? It could compensate for its water consumption with shade.
On the north side, you could install Mediterranean aromatic plants near the hedge.

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

Yes, of course, it's very "multifactorial" - and so it's all the more silly to think it's simple, so it's "magic" and it's a find ...

There, in the example which I am evoking in this case, it is about a cornfield bordered by a narrow "pre-orchard". Systematically, at the level of a tree, there is a puny halo ... Compared to the same first row elsewhere, where there are no trees.

This first row is itself, overall, a smaller chouilla.

I'm just saying: the effect is far from always positive ...

One of the many "factors" that comes into play is the possibility of a "windbreak" hedge, which has a positive effect a few meters away. But which must also meet a few criteria (in particular slow down the wind without creating turbulence, therefore have a "certain permeability"; be askew in relation to the prevailing winds, ...).

So I'm not saying it never works at all. I explain that it is far from always working! Because that's what they want us to believe.

Would it not be, sometimes, a simple "side effect"?

Tree or not, hedges or not, in field crops we often observe thin edges or ends of fields.

Simple technical causes may also have to be considered.
Too far from irrigation cannons or fertilizer or other spray or more disparate sowing or higher compaction because more frequent vehicles pass by, road edges and leaching polluting asphalt ... etc.
In general, the agris make fun of these "pieces of land" which only represent losses

[Did67]

And do you have a hedge on the south side? It could compensate for its water consumption with shade.
On the north side, you could install Mediterranean aromatic plants near the hedge.

No, I don't have a hedge on the south side (but a disagreement with the neighbor, who put his chain-link fence - I won't take the risk of a conflict) ... Note, for the history of the shadow, which the sun, in midsummer, passes almost vertically! So it would work especially in spring (but keeping this area cooler even longer). So especially in the fall ....

Yes, I could reconfigure the vegetable garden. I do it another way, knowing that on the other side, there is a meadow infested with mole rats and that the dividing fence (well, it's a horse park, so it's the neighbor who put it) is a source of brambles, difficult to control but invasive: I install a "barrier" of artichokes. Powerful, they "confine" the brambles. Their roots attract mole rats, which I know where to trap. And of course, in the spring I have artichokes. In summer, they suffer but, seeing the fleshy root, leave again in the fall ... I forgot: in summer, I have magnificent flowers, which attract a lot of foragers; It is one of the most beautiful natural color that I know. So it's beautiful, without getting tired ...

The herbs are higher up, near the house. Or, for parsley, chives, etc, along the center aisle - I don't have side aisles anymore, so the stuff where there is a need for regular access, I don't put them near the outer edges ... So there are only two large "cultivated" rectangles (so to speak) ...

[Rajqawee]

I think that overall, this is a subject that deserves to be more developed in the reflections of this thread: the development, in space, of the vegetable garden.

Which choices for which situations and constraints. Clearly, we will see that no universal solution is applicable everywhere, but that the ideas of others can still be partially recovered (like, the artichoke hedge barrier to brambles!).



I am moving to the Pyrenees on December 18th. My wife has friends who live in Tarbes (30min drive) who have a garden they "don't do anything about". They suggested that we develop it and they want to water it. I haven't decided yet if it's a good idea, but I tell myself that to make a few scoops of zucchini and squash / pumpkin / butternutt which are more or less incompatible and do not require special supervision (since I do not count to do thousands of kilometers while moving at 30 min!), that can be a good choice.

[Did67]

Me, my layout was extremely simple:
- I had started with the central aisle, and "side aisles" between flower beds already much larger than the average - about 1,5 to 2 m - thinking that I would not do much, if not 'is to harvest, so that it was wasted space ...
- I realized that when I was harvesting, the soil "bore" because it was at least wiped out, if not dry (taking into account the fact that I try not to water); and therefore "spontaneously", I walked anywhere ... Without doing any damage.
- and then I realized that two or three "suckers" (white clover, but especially cinquefoil and achillea) were using my fairways as a back base, from where they sent stems, runners or suckers to conquer my bands; 20 to 30 cm were thus "conquered" each season and on each side; I had to "cut back": it was too much work, I removed the side aisles ... Now, I cultivate a continuum, from top to bottom of the vegetable garden, on each side. I pay attention to rotations. And of course, I have the perennials (red fruits - strawberries, raspberries, blackcurrants, blueberries, May berries, artichokes) that don't budge. It's me who moves around ...
- I am just going to introduce an additional notion, following the droughts: I am going to group together, on the same area, the "imperatively summer vegetables", in an area on which I will concentrate the waterings (water reserve or network, depending on the situation). emergency), so as to have a synergy. It will be the "oasis" in my vegetable garden ... Until then, in my messy way of doing things, they were on the right and on the left ... And of course, this location will turn ...

[Did67]

For those who are a little interested in "capitalism in the activities that make sense" ...
I am polluting this site a little, where many of you pass, so that we do not remain naive - but if there is a big debate, I will propose to create another thread ...

Read on the World website this morning:


Xavier Niel and Matthieu Pigasse invite themselves to the consumer goods market

Associated with Moez-Alexandre Zouari, majority shareholder of Picard Surgelés, the duo created a fund dedicated to the acquisition of production and distribution companies "with strong social and environmental responsibility".

By Laurence Girard Posted yesterday at 11:35 am, updated yesterday at 11:42 am

2MX Organic. This name, unveiled on Sunday, November 29, is that of a new player in the European sector of organic or durable consumer goods. At the origin of this project, three major investors, Xavier Niel, majority shareholder of the telecommunications operator Iliad, Matthieu Pigasse, at the head of the French office of the American bank Centerview [both are also individual shareholders of the World], and a distribution expert, Moez-Alexandre Zouari.

The trio chose to go through the creation of an acquisition vehicle, known as SPAC (Special purpose acquisition company). A simplified way for a stock market introduction, with the key to fundraising to finance acquisitions. In this financial scheme, investors are, in effect, signing a veritable blank check to the founders of PSPC. 2MX Organic, which will be listed in Paris, on the professional compartment of the regulated market of Euronext, wishes to raise between 250 and 300 million euros. The result of the offer is expected to be announced on December 7.

The sum should be used in the acquisition of "one or more companies operating in Europe with strong social and environmental responsibility which intervene in the sector of consumer goods, production and distribution", according to the terms of the press release published by 2MX Organic.

Playing cards

If the targets are not revealed, a composite image is sketched. “They operate in a booming market. They are also part of a dynamic of local consumption. They offer differentiating alternatives to consumers who seek to give meaning to their purchases. “While consumption is experiencing profound upheavals, the founders of 2MX Organic believe they have a card to play. The first acquisition, for an amount of 1,5 to 2 billion euros, could be completed in 2021.

Mr. Niel and Mr. Pigasse already have a previous SPAC to their credit, the first in France, launched in 2016 in the audiovisual sector. He gave birth to the Mediawan group, led by Pierre-Antoine Capton. This time, they joined forces with a specialist in food distribution, Mr. Zouari, whose group operates numerous franchised stores and has become the reference shareholder of Picard Surgelés. He will take over the general management of the company.

Other food consumption experts are supporting the project. Just like Cécile Cabanis, who will step down as Danone's financial director at the start of 2021 and will be a member of the board of directors. As well as Gilles Piquet-Pellorce, former managing director of the Biocoop brand. He had recently worked on an offer to take over the organic chain of stores c'Bon with the Zaouari group, but Carrefour won.

Conclusion (extremely simple): Where growth (therefore the prospects for profitability), there are investors ...

[Doris]

Thank you for this sharing, even if this is not the first subject here.

[Did67]

For info, after a drop of - 7,5 ° C yesterday morning, and again - 3,5 ° C this morning, with sleet, ice crust, a quick tour of the vegetable garden showed me that for the most part, the plants have passed the milestone ... Some of it has been borderline / borderline (escaroles - old frozen outer leaves; impeccable heart; fennel has reached its limits , but the heart is recoverable ...) ... Turnips / celery / carrots: it looks good (I say "seems" because damage to the heart can be revealed later; similarly, "cracking of the roots" can appear later).

I have to take notes, to remember them ...

I'm going to film too ...

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

For info, after a drop of - 7,5 ° C yesterday morning, and again - 3,5 ° C this morning, with sleet, ice crust, a quick tour of the vegetable garden showed me that for the most part, the plants have passed the milestone ... Some of it has been borderline / borderline (escaroles - old frozen outer leaves; impeccable heart; fennel has reached its limits , but the heart is recoverable ...) ... Turnips / celery / carrots: it looks good (I say "seems" because damage to the heart can be revealed later; similarly, "cracking of the roots" can appear later).

I have to take notes, to remember them ...

I'm going to film too ...

Ah yes -7.5 ° it's starting to get serious

I haven't seen the last video yet, but I'll get started.

I had to finish mine, I present it in the following post

[Doris]

At home it's even milder anyway, minimum ground temperature -4 (it's not the first time, in this case, it's just the first night or I'm equipped to measure on the ground). Today the weather does not rise, it will not be more than ten degrees during the day, normally the weather will remain cloudy the next night. All of my vegetables are doing well, I just protected some with a forcing veil. Everything is fine.