Le Potager du Sloth: Gardening without fatigue more than Bio

[Did67]

This response is INDIGNANT with you Mr. Helmstetter, really. In no case did I "seek" you, understand provoked, because until now I held you in good esteem.

1. I didn't target you.

It is quite by chance whereas your post concerning Wifi comes two posts after mine on my different probes ??? And that here no one else has mentioned waves, wifi, etc ...

So take me for a jerk. If you want. It's your right. I never had a hard time being taken for an asshole ... By fools!

It is also your right to be against wifi.

If I seem unworthy to you (in capitals), it's probably because we don't have the same vision of things.

Yes, of course, I broaden the subject to all of what, in our society, can be called into question. Except that those who "question" rarely go "into the wild". They would be quite incapable of it. And besides, we know how it ends!

[Did67]

It's not easy to change mentalities about composting ...

Not easy when you have little time - these are André's videos, I respect his formats (even if he lengthens) and I accept the rules of the game of his "questions". But obviously I have trouble with its format! I knew André's practices - I accepted knowingly, and I knew where I would go ... On the other hand, it was improvised because nothing was "written" in advance. ..

My conviction, I expressed it here some time ago: you have to go where the people are. Even if it means taking slaps. This is where it is necessary to "sow seeds" ...

I haven't looked at the comments yet. I think some are shocked, find it arrogant, or null, or provoking ...

André will decide in conscience if he continues or not.

I always said that I went where I was invited (I was at the 2018 national permaculture meetings; I gave a conference at the Sélestat all-worker gardens or at the Union des Entreprises du Paysage). But when I am contacted, I always specify that I do not adapt my ideas to my audience (even if I can, in such a context, insist more on a particular subject: for example, at UNEP, landscape companies, j I concluded that "natural vegetable gardens" could, for certain bobo-tend customers, be an integrated offer in a development; to allotment gardens, I insisted on the fact that burning biomass was not only pollution - and generally prohibited - but a "loss of energy", etc.).

[stephgouv]

I always said I went where I was invited ...

Precisely, if people invite you, it is because they are interested in your way of doing things. Afterwards, it's up to them to try or not!
I just find it a shame to be interested in you "for nothing".

For my part, the choice was quickly made!

[Did67]

Let's be realistic: in a truly existing world, there is everything.

Those who are genuinely interested. In the curious sense. In search of knowledge allowing them to decide. Or to decide. I convince them or not. They try or not. That's all I can do.

Let's be clear: sometimes, I lose some because of my way of being, of expressing myself ... Under the last video there is a very interesting comment from someone who writes to me: "I want to was taking it for a lesson ... Now that I've watched several videos, I understand better ... I'm going to buy your two books "(summarized).

And there are those who "are there". Sometimes just to strengthen their convictions. And there, sometimes that reinforces (because they are on the same "grid of reflection" - same objectives, same values ​​...). From my studies, I sometimes have additional information, an argument other than theirs ... And we move forward together.

And sometimes that doesn't strengthen at all. They were based on beliefs, which gave "parallels" in practices (in short, we do the same thing, but not for the same reasons!). And there, often, it clashe!

In these last two cases, it is not a question of interest. This is the search for new cleats to support an "a priori" position.

[Moindreffor]

The bottom line of all this is that I now know how to generate heat at night in a rather interesting and reliable way: with water bottles, provided that they take the sun during the day.
The advantage is that extreme cold occurs on a clear day and therefore normally preceded by a sunny day.
The most terrible would be a gray day followed by a clearing night and freezing cold like -10.
There in my opinion it would be nasty

why don't you put your chests facing south, one beside the other on an east-west line with the little ones in front? is it a problem of space?

[stephgouv]

From my studies, ...

Speaking of studies, I ask myself a question (in all objectivity!) to better understand:
How is it that you had to wait until you had major health concerns to seek and then change your way of cultivating when you cultivated in the traditional way before?
However, I suppose that with your advanced studies, you were taught (or not?) That working the first 20-30 cm of the earth was harmful?

In my opinion, there must not be tons of engineers like you who have changed the way they cultivate yet so easy and so respectful of the environment.

I notice that what we teach our children today no longer corresponds at all (or at least in part) to reality and we continue to teach them things from 50 years ago! But that, the teachers can not do anything ... they do what they can with the means we give them.

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

OK, thanks for the details. What is also interesting is to see the temperature differences from the outside, and the time it takes to go down or not to negative temperatures. I will be doing some tests in the coming weeks, because obviously here I have a lot less need to insulate. The last winter with fifteen days of very low temperatures (-10, -11), it was fifteen years ago I believe. If every fifteen years I lose a few seedlings, I will recover I think

Here it seems that they reached -23 ...

Since I was a kid in the area, that is to say there is a lease, even if I was not at this precise place, I highly doubt it

But hey it's true that it remains chilly ...
I didn't check last night but we had to go back down around -10

On the other hand, what is different in the present period is that I do not remember that in 4 years there was such a consistency for several days in a row.

There it lasts from the night of Friday to Saturday all the same

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

The bottom line of all this is that I now know how to generate heat at night in a rather interesting and reliable way: with water bottles, provided that they take the sun during the day.
The advantage is that extreme cold occurs on a clear day and therefore normally preceded by a sunny day.
The most terrible would be a gray day followed by a clearing night and freezing cold like -10.
There in my opinion it would be nasty

why don't you put your chests facing south, one beside the other on an east-west line with the little ones in front? is it a problem of space?

Yes it would be ideal, but the configuration of the land does not allow it ...
I will do a general photo

I would have to bring the bull back to make me a ledge to the right between the current vegetable garden and the track
To the left of the vegetable garden there is the potato board, slightly below, then the greenhouse and then the steeply sloping grove.

The vegetable garden is located on the old start of the cross-country trail so it was almost flat.

Little by little I will stretch out but ... it's long

[Moindreffor]

From my studies, ...

Speaking of studies, I ask myself a question (in all objectivity!) to better understand:
How is it that you had to wait until you had major health concerns to seek and then change your way of cultivating when you cultivated in the traditional way before?
However, I suppose that with your advanced studies, you were taught (or not?) That working the first 20-30 cm of the earth was harmful?

In my opinion, there must not be tons of engineers like you who have changed the way they cultivate yet so easy and so respectful of the environment.

I notice that what we teach our children today no longer corresponds at all (or at least in part) to reality and we continue to teach them things from 50 years ago! But that, the teachers can not do anything ... they do what they can with the means we give them.

I can answer you for the teacher part, National Education is not just a knowledge company, but above all an economic company, keeping a school in your village is making sure you are attractive, the same for a college and even more for a high school, we closed the colleges on Saturdays not for school rhythms, but because that's half a day less heating, lighting, and staff that we can re-employ during the week
an accounting sector is cheaper than a mechanical sector, hence the decline in technical sectors in favor of the tertiary sector

otherwise without wanting to speak for Didier, but having experienced a serious life accident like him, I can tell you that afterwards you no longer see life in the same way, quite simply because you can no longer and therefore you have to change, and that before when everything was going well, well as we often say we do not change a winning team, so why change

a smoker knows that it is bad for him to smoke and yet how much we really want to quit

[Did67]

Speaking of studies, I ask myself a question (in all objectivity!) to better understand:
How is it that you had to wait until you had major health concerns to seek and then change your way of cultivating when you cultivated in the traditional way before?
However, I suppose that with your advanced studies, you were taught (or not?) That working the first 20-30 cm of the earth was harmful?

In my opinion, there must not be tons of engineers like you who have changed the way they cultivate yet so easy and so respectful of the environment.

I notice that what we teach our children today no longer corresponds at all (or at least in part) to reality and we continue to teach them things from 50 years ago! But that, the teachers can not do anything ... they do what they can with the means we give them.

Rough question, if there is one. But fundamental. [edit: I had not read lesserffor]

I will have to come back to it at length one day ...

Just one or two things to think about:

a) Knowledge (or knowledge) is. He is not good". Not bad". E = mc² is a fact.
b) What we do with it is something else. And calls for ethics. E = mc² allows dictators to hope to dominate the world. But that's because they're crazy. Not because E = mc². E = mc² allows electricity to be produced without emitting carbon - but with many other disadvantages. Let's say, that it is discussed. E = mc² allows radiotherapy. I do not hide from you that if I was prescribed one, I would follow it. And would find, if successful, that good (like a friend of mine went through).
c) The "knowing" have, like everyone else, in their head, a system of values ​​which make them use their knowledge differently. And even a belief system. There are no more believers than scientists!
d) The "knowing", like everyone else, have blinders !!! They are elements of a system (a society, a nation, INRA, such and such a high school, etc.). And, on a daily basis, they make compromises. They do not want, or cannot, see this or that, because that would force them to question too much! So they don't see ...

It was my case. Even if I have always "pulled" more from the green side than from the Monsanto side. Even though I was an agroforestry specialist (in Africa) as early as 1988 ... I took hits, you can't imagine. I can tell you that I have cried many times when they tried to "shoot" me for nonconformity. So as not to be "mainstream" in the system. Fortunately, my wife was always there. And I got up.

Finally, I had to think I was dead to let go of my blinders and finally to think, to express myself with what I call a "realistic radicalism". It is much easier when you only represent yourself (the institutions, be it "French Cooperation" or "Agricultural Education" are complex systems in which you are a pawn - even the directors). I decided, seeing that in my head I was dead, to give a damn what this could trigger ...

Radicality because I do not stay in the middle of the ford, like the "organic". Who question "chemical" agriculture, but do not ask many questions about copper (it comes!), Or tillage (it hardly comes!) ... Being radical is no longer be content with being in the middle of the ford (and having wet feet all the time!). It is choosing a bank. Because we are not crayfish.

But "realistic" because my vision is based on what actually exists. Not on more or less obscure beliefs, which lock in other "blinders". Sometimes, but not always, worse! It is not enough to question!