The death of bees puts the world in danger

[Janic]

yes but since 2017 honey production is in free fall in France, maybe more beehives but hives less and less populated

and not only. Reduction also of other insects, reducing the number of birds that fed on them, more hedges to shelter them, an entire ecological chain is crumbling. The Chinese are reduced to inseminating the flowers of fruit trees by hand with the disappearance of pollinators destroyed by pesticides ... by cides of all kinds

[izentrop]

The Chinese are reduced to inseminating the flowers of fruit trees by hand with the disappearance of pollinators destroyed by pesticides ...

Whatever

[Janic]

Whatever

this is confirmed by a CNRS researcher who specializes in the subject. Expressed on France 5 in ie. But can he be wrong or do you think you are lying ?!

[Moindreffor]

Whatever

this is confirmed by a CNRS researcher who specializes in the subject. Expressed on France 5 in ie. But can he be wrong or do you think you are lying ?!

it is the feasibility of the thing which is hardly conceivable, and the cost especially, it would be necessary to specify which trees so that one can judge it, because there, without more info, as much to say nothing

[Janic]

Janic wrote:

"
Whatever
this is confirmed by a CNRS researcher who specializes in the subject. Expressed on France 5 in ie. But can he be wrong or do you think you are lying ?!

it is the feasibility of the thing which is hardly conceivable, and the cost especially, it would be necessary to specify which trees so that one can judge it, because there, without more info, as much to say nothing

just go back to the FR5 document where this researcher presented his work!
https://www.france.tv/france-5/c-a-dire ... anete.html
a small error it is not a question of CNRS but INRA.

[izentrop]

You have to stop swallowing anything. As if a docu tv had scientific value

The bees have not disappeared from this area at all.
manual pollination and many fruit growers also have their own apiary for
their honey production. Manual pollination in China is more dictated by reasons
economic and linked to the biology of these fruit rosaceae only by a marked lack
of bees. https://www.apiservices.biz/fr/articles ... -francaise

[Janic]

You have to stop swallowing anything. As if a docu tv had scientific value

damned! It seemed to me that scientists were not scientists! It's like global warming, nuclear, glyphosate, we no longer know who to trust! Ah I forgot the vaccines ... obviously!

[Moindreffor]

https://www.lemonde.fr/planete/article/ ... _3244.html

if we stop at the words of this researcher, we make a big dumpling and yes he says bullshit,
in the article above it is explained that
1) it is not a region of China, but rather some villages in a region of China
2) farmers use this technique to ensure harvests and especially to cross varieties of apples
3) that they voluntarily overdose in phyto, precisely so that it is they who manage the pollination and ensure the harvest with no insects which put it at risk thereafter
4) they have been doing this for over 30 years, so nothing to do with the recent disappearance of insects

as proof of the presence of bees in the region, the husband of one of the women who pollinates by hand is a beekeeper

So, Janic you did not go far enough in your research and you therefore glued-on a stupidity, said by a researcher but a nice bullshit all the same,

it's good to want to make the buzz with such info, should we know the background especially for someone who presents himself as a specialist in the disappearance of insects (the researcher )

[to be chafoin]

Ultimately difficult to get an idea of ​​the situation in China as it is. The "article" on Apiservices was written by an agronomist with "a very rich background" in agrochemistry (Novartis then Syngenta) so we can only take a step back on his point.
https://www.academie-agriculture.fr/membres/annuaire/andre-fougeroux
In addition, he indicates despite everything "the lack of pollinating insects" as one of the causes of manual pollination in China. Finally he criticizes the work of the media by generalizing excessively in my opinion. Thus the journalist of the article of the world to which it is referred crossed sources and testimonies, bringing in scientists and giving a contrasting point of view on the subject (so much so that the chosen one less effort to argue against the janic's opinion!).

For my part, I read this last article as the testimony of a conversion of the cultivation of the orchards of this region to a conventional intensive agriculture in the 1980s (which is not contradictory with the technical information of the first article, of Apiservices). What we experienced in the post-war years, Sichuan is experiencing at a time when agrochemical products are well "developed". Add to that cheap labor and you have the hand pollination that sets in to ensure maximum production. If one sticks to the elements of the article of the world the use of phyto products (from Syngenta? ) is not really mastered by farmers, nor "reasoned". So this may not be THE cause of the lack of pollinating insects in these orchards, but don't tell me it's good for them!

[Janic]

So, Janic you did not go far enough in your research and you therefore glued-on a stupidity, said by a researcher but a nice bullshit all the same,

to indicate an information, it is effectively not to go far, since it is not made for that! To find out if this is stupidity, it is the character to be concerned that must be asked, not me. Now if there are researchers who do not say bullshit, it is unlikely to be according to your subjective criteria, otherwise there will hardly be any credible people left in this area.