Honestly, to put oneself in a logic of ghettoisation brings what!
You speak of "lived", you would feel good there, you?
It's not about SE to place, it is the holders of power who do it!
I do not dispute it in some situations, it is simply inefficient, inappropriate, use the term that suits you best, in other circumstances: no more!Janic wrote:
But this HONcode (I do not deny its usefulness when we walk in the nails) is useless in these cases.
It's up to you to challenge it, but until then nothing relevant proves that there is an organism that replaces it ... So you have to make or create another!
This is not the case that another system could replace it!
Obamot wrote:Dito ... And in fact it works very well, I know a lot of "affiliates" who are not "conformists" ...Janic wrote:
The goal was to give some tips not to get burned!
Except that it does not work for nonconformists. It's a bit like using an allopathic reading chart to adapt it to homeopathy, it does not work either.
Fortunately! I am not talking here about some nonconformist individuals, but systems wanted and supported by conservative individuals of course!
We must not reverse the situation. The distinction is made by reality, not by philosophy. Revise the current case of parents who refuse compulsory vaccination without having guarantees of the safety of these (apart from the fact that these vaccines are illegal). That's the reality! It is the establishment that has impeached these concerned parents for the life and health of their children and turned against them by accusing them of anything. (especially anything else, relying on the ignorance of both the media and the people.)Why absolutely make distinctions (is not it the establishment that seeks to do that, so why bring water to the mill ...),
Absolutely ! All we have to do is give everyone a legitimate right of conscience, and the classes that are set aside disappear like our neighboring countries that have solved the problem.There are a little tired of creating "separate classes" of calimeros.
I am "in principle" against all injustice (law and justice are unfortunately different things)Diwouar, whatever system is in place, wouldn't you be going against the grain, like that, just: "on principle"!
Obamot wrote:
Pfff, with the number of disgraced toubibs, we could fill a whole directory ...! This does not mean that they would be excluded from the HONcode, if they respect its principles.
There is confusion between each category of individuals. You speak doctors, I speak of illegal and therefore the inapplication of this HONcode to this category.
Then, indeed, doctors are also rejected, disgraced and HONcode this does not lose its relevance as they are still not outside the system but on its periphery. Even excluded, they continue to possess the diploma that recognizes their professional competence and remain entitled to exercise it elsewhere! Switzerland can be?
To the extent that the illegal practice of medicine remains what it is, there is little alternative to hiding from the authorities who are just waiting to fall short on the (or the) offender (e).And in the principles, I do not see what we can reproach, unless we try to hide!
This is another aspect of the problem, perversions exist everywhere, not only in a particular profession where the need to seriously inquire before embarking on a path full of uncertainties (compared to the highway of conformism) and in areas where these HONcodes are unsuitable. (repeat the points in question)When I see the number of perverts in society, the HONcode is highly useful. To deny that would be a little like defending the cause of the perverts.
The example I quoted shows precisely the contradiction since it does not correspond, so to speak, to any of the points cited.Obamot wrote:Precisely, the HONcode is one of these answers, just respect the principles and know how to use it ...Janic wrote:
It is certain as any system instituted, it offers certain advantages and disadvantages too, after it is a question of choice and risks taken from both sides. but suffering does not wait for institutions to change, it demands an immediate response.
What happens if one does not follow the recommendations? when
[...] - The qualification is not recognized even when the editor has all the necessary qualifications.
[...] - This complementarity is not recognized and the patient should have to replace the doctor-patient relationship.
[...] - The information is short-circuited by the "authorities" medical up.
[...] - The treatment is not recognized, despite their effectiveness and even their safety, because in opposition to the dogma in place.
[...] - The information is obscured for the same reasons as above, and the contact address can only be confidential (to avoid persecution and possibly prosecution for illegal practice of medicine, even by skilled and even skilled doctors)
I repeat: I do not speak of no reason to be but only of maladjustment to certain cases, certain situations.Obamot wrote:
Is it as far as it does not have its reason to be (what to propose instead, in the meantime, let's stop criticizing). There is nothing else and, in any case, we should first thank this initiative.
Remember (this is quite old) the case of the small leukemia.
In large part: yes! It's a bit like vegetarianism, if it does not exceed the barrier of customs, habits, beliefs, if there is not a minimum of information (and even in these cases) the best intention of the world, the best interest of another system falls flat.Obamot wrote:
The HONcode has no borders! Except in the minds What do you mean?
I do not have big money to put in their bank! But it's just a matter of patience since things change slowly (in France), too slowly, but my children and grandchildren will eventually benefit, I hope!(bein come here Janic) and the HONcode has no borders!
It will not change the type of medicine practicedThe HONcode has no borders, that's all its interest!Janic wrote:
20.000 estimated cases (of iatrogenic deaths) all the same! And I do not speak of bad doctors, but of bad medicine, it is different!
On the contrary, it's right in! The parents concerned can not claim a HONcode protecting them from these police excesses. With this HONcode, perhaps one would have recognized their right of conscience?I admit that I was very shocked! Especially since the father looked sincere. But it's HS.Janic wrote:
And you found yourself with the cops on the buttocks as the couple who refuses the vaccines in question (illegal vaccines also since quinquavalents)?
Go, go ... There are caregivers or people who are not! The rest we should not care!
When you hang on the nose the risk of 3 months in prison farm and 3.750 euros almond, renewable, plus you remove the custody of your children, it's worth it to worry, it seems to me! (That's France!)
Courage to the concerned parents, I had my share of similar circumstances where you are alone, alone, to face the wolves who only want to devour the lamb that you are supposed to be.Courage Janic!
Thank you! But the HONcode has no borders and it is a Swiss initiative of HUG!Janic wrote:
But I recognize that what Switzerland is doing is already a big step towards less exclusivity.
Okay ;-)Janic wrote:That's what I was mentioning!Obamot wrote:
Attention, iatrogenesis can come ONLY and exclusively from a prescriber member of the nursing staff! (A doctor in this case ...)
I am always honest, in my positions, by spiritual principle! This does not mean that it is perceived as such, but I have made up my mind and do not want anyone to (so far as not to let my little stilts crush!)PS: I note that you have documented yourself (healers and HUG) and that this particular, you have a certain honesty in the debate! It's a pleasure.