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Other bell sounds about Kokopelli




by romain.perma » 29/08/17, 08:55

Dear members,

Newcomer on your forum, which I used to consult for heating and insulation issues a few years ago. In fact, I read some frenzied analyzes, contrary to the ideas received on this subject, which allowed me to see more clearly about my project at the time. A big thank you in passing. : Cheesy:

I allow myself here to take the pen, not to speak comfort but agriculture. I wish to relay my article recently published on the attitude of the Kokopelli association, specialized in the sale of free seeds. In a medium already small and not always easy, Kokopelli benefits from his visibility and acts more and more like a little guy. A big fish in a small pond that does not support criticism. : Evil:

With more than doubtful processes, Kokopelli attacks the site "The Garden of Possibles" by Daniel Vivas. He talks about his personal experience as a disappointed former customer (poor germination rate, mistakes in orders ...), as well as the "crunchy" details of "We will not go to Gaia again", a book written by former employees of Kokopelli very critical of the association, which was released earlier this year.

Result? Daniel Vivas was summoned by Kokopelli's lawyers to withdraw his article!

I allow myself to put the rest of the article here http://www.agoravox.fr/tribune-libre/ar ... ces-195967 : Arrowl:

This intimidation of Daniel Vivas reveals the real nature of Kokopelli, used to victimize himself and give himself the beautiful role (it is only to see his ridiculous accusations against the Peasant Seed Network!). Because this is the essence of the problem.

I do not know if others have been dealing with this kind of process with Kokopelli, or a feedback on their work. I am interested to perfect my knowledge.

Good day to you

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by izentrop » 29/08/17, 14:17

It puts the clocks back on time. It's a bit like stock market bubbles, it bursts when the reality takes over.
We can also think of the revenge of a disappointed who has been confronted with the harsh laws of small employers.
In addition there is the mysticism of the big boss, but it is what made the fame of the box. : Mrgreen:

Agoravox is not more biased either.
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by romain.perma » 30/08/17, 08:28

izentrop wrote:
In addition there is the mysticism of the big boss, but it is what made the fame of the box. : Mrgreen:


Mysticism ... it is rather a matter of heavy psychiatry? : Shock: : Lol:

You have to read the good sheets of "We will no longer point to Gaia" on this subject, it's just appalling.
Daniel Vivas of the Garden of the Possibles spoke about it in his article ... that Kokopelli blew up. Too compromising.

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by Christophe » 31/08/17, 10:49

romain.perma wrote:(...)

This intimidation of Daniel Vivas reveals the real nature of Kokopelli, used to victimize himself and give himself the beautiful role (it is only to see his ridiculous accusations against the Peasant Seed Network!). Because this is the essence of the problem.

I do not know if others have been dealing with this kind of process with Kokopelli, or a feedback on their work. I am interested to perfect my knowledge.

Good day to you

Romain (Farmer!)


Hi and welcome here!

My personal experience with Kokopelli is limited to a few exchanges on stands at fairs or shows (it's been a few years already) ... but it was enough for me to see that they were on the "extreme" side of the Force (the Gaia strength obviously : Mrgreen: ) ... and extremism, whoever it is, it's never good!

I preferred to buy seeds at Semailles ... who were much more open-minded!
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by Christophe » 31/08/17, 10:49

romain.perma wrote:... that Kokopelli blew up. Too compromising.


How? By intimidation or legally?
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by Did67 » 31/08/17, 18:47

I quote the text of roman.perma: "Daniel Vivas has been ordered by Kokopelli's lawyers to withdraw his article!"

To play with lawyers, you have to be "clean" and "solid": a quotation from a published book not sued is legally always possible. As long as you present it as a simple quote.

It is undoubtedly the comment "around" which poses problem: can one "bring" the proofs of all that one affirms? Otherwise, a negative statement becomes libel. And a defamation is condemnable - the court can demand the withdrawal of the text and oblige to publish a correction, it can condemn to "damages and interest" (Kokopelli can estimate that this made them lose 50 euros!) ...

So in general, the lawyers' letter is enough. Even if, having the means, we could go to trial. And if it turns out that the court would be much more nuanced, much more nuanced. Threat specialists (follow my look at the old blonde) are often rejected! It is not excluded that the conviction would be limited to the publication of a right of reply ... But which site has the means to play this game and go to trial? A minority.
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by Did67 » 31/08/17, 18:50

romain.perma wrote:
Mysticism ... it is rather a matter of heavy psychiatry? : Shock: : Lol:



This, for example, is defamation. Not being a psychiatrist, you will never be able to prove it. And I doubt that you find an expert psychiatrist in the courts who makes this diagnosis. So you're cooked.

Knowing that the context plays a lot: the same sentence in a satirical newspaper will not be judged in the same way as on a site that wants to be scientific! This gives a margin to comedians. Fortunately. Even if they must also be careful not to go too far. Some know it.
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by romain.perma » 01/09/17, 08:34

Hello Christophe and Did67,

Thank you for the messages and especially the details of Did67. It's true "heavy psychiatry" is my value judgment which may be libel. To withdraw therefore. : Oops:

Regarding the withdrawal of the article by Daniel Vivas, I think it is by way of lawyer. But in the field of seed producers and multipliers, Kokopelli has spread the message. No waves. otherwise, you jump.

I found the interesting links concerning the book "We will no longer go pointer at Gaïa: working days at Kokopelli"

Here an interview of the authors: http://cqfd-journal.org/Kokopelli-c-est-fini-1831

there the first chapter: https://iaata.info/Nous-n-irons-plus-po ... -2137.html

and as you say Christophe so well, beware of the "Gaia Force" !! : Cheesy:

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by Christophe » 01/09/17, 10:37

romain.perma wrote:and as you say Christophe so well, beware of the "Gaia Force" !! : Cheesy:


Hihihi, and again I only spoke "only" of Gaia Force extremism ... obscurantism is even worse ... not sure that Koko did not put a foot in it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW4PtgKDc1k

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by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 03/09/17, 12:22

Kokopelli or society or asso tartempion .... everything comes from men who direct and from their deep nature.

Deep nature that is revealed with power.

Power is the best revealer of human nature

The mistake often made is to think that an ideology of generosity will generate an operation of generosity and humanism

But the most generous ideology at the base does not weigh very heavily alongside the "way of exercising it"

We encounter this type of problem on the whole spectrum of "generous companies": I did not follow too much but it seemed to me that at Charlie the manna of donations had helped to lock a formerly more open operation.

In short when the power is exercised ... it's not necessarily the cat but it can become

PS we never bought at Koko ....
Our goal is to be autonomous in seeds from the vegetables of our garden in our environment.
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