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Re: The Kitchen Garden Sloth: Gardening without fatigue more than Bio

Unread Messageby Did67 » 11/01/19, 13:20

Certainly !

but:

1) He always presents himself as scientists. The "show off" often goes hand in hand with this lack of rigor. From then on, they often take up a lot of space ...

2) The public does not know it. Who will dare to treat such a famous "big con" character (a Nobel prize, why not - there are some, in the States, who have defended the heredity of intelligence and even sold their sperm - very expensive, of course; they remained Nobel Prize) ???
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Re: The Kitchen Garden Sloth: Gardening without fatigue more than Bio

Unread Messageby Moindreffor » 11/01/19, 13:55

Did67 wrote:Certainly !

but:

1) He always presents himself as scientists. The "show off" often goes hand in hand with this lack of rigor. From then on, they often take up a lot of space ...

2) The public does not know it. Who will dare to treat such a famous "big con" character (a Nobel prize, why not - there are some, in the States, who have defended the heredity of intelligence and even sold their sperm - very expensive, of course; they remained Nobel Prize) ???

it is precisely because such characters "slip" from science to pseudo-science that they are given the place, which they do not deserve, to make the buzz with

social networks show us that we can "live" a little notoriety on the web, so when we have a great reputation, we can "live really" and some scientists do not hesitate to take the plunge, when you see what can win a basketball player or pro footballer, some also want a piece of cake ...
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Re: The Kitchen Garden Sloth: Gardening without fatigue more than Bio

Unread Messageby to be chafoin » 11/01/19, 16:00

Did67 wrote:a Nobel Prize, why not - there are some, in the States, who have defended the heredity of intelligence and even sold their sperm - very expensive, of course; they remained Nobel Prize
What is this story?
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Re: The Kitchen Garden Sloth: Gardening without fatigue more than Bio

Unread Messageby Did67 » 11/01/19, 16:30

https://www.nouvelobs.com/rue89/rue89-n ... bebes.html

https://www.liberation.fr/cahier-specia ... ies_487845

I honestly thought I remembered that it was a Nobel Prize that had founded it. Apparently my. But he has endorsed it!

So we can be Nobel Prize and con! CQFD!

Coup de chance, I'm not Nobel Prize. So I still have a chance not to be ... !!! ?????
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Unread Messageby to be chafoin » 11/01/19, 17:40

Oh yeah, both terrifying and fun this true story of crazy!
I noted this funny sentence in the article:
One of the most gifted comes from the sperm of a man who had lied about his abilities ...
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Re: The Kitchen Garden Sloth: Gardening without fatigue more than Bio

Unread Messageby JardinierAmateur » 11/01/19, 20:53

Didier, I am referring to one of your last comments, which I summarize here: the garden of lazy led to laziness, we can hope for an elevation of the intellectual level (the words are not accurate, so in advance sorry, I summarize the idea only)

And well done, goal achieved!
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Re: The Kitchen Garden Sloth: Gardening without fatigue more than Bio

Unread Messageby Did67 » 12/01/19, 10:19

Ah! This p ... marketing !!! Tighten the buttocks ...

Have a look at the distance selling catalog of a famous "bio specialist" ...

At random, I looked at the "products", to stay on top of what is allowed and what is not anymore ...

And under the label of a well-known brand, I see "Anti-Mildew". Written in giant: "100% of natural origin". Mentioned: "Authorized in organic farming".

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Intrigued by the lack of mention "Bouillie bordelaise", so popular not so long ago, I look at the composition. I come across a limp de "cuivrique" (limpid for me - but the "papy sulfator" sensitized by the debates on copper sulphate, will it know that it is copper sulphate?):
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Whoever will go to the end, and read the composition, which I presume printed in small on the package (very small perhaps ???), will be informed:

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I am amazed at the speed of reaction of marketing: debate on the "copper sulphate" or the "Bordeaux mixture" and presto, the packaging becomes more discreet on this subject. Remains not big "Anti-mildew". It freaks in the gardens, so we reassure!

In passing, what a juicy market: 12,90 € 250 g for a very simple product (about 75 g pure copper sulphate!).
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Re: The Kitchen Garden Sloth: Gardening without fatigue more than Bio

Unread Messageby Did67 » 12/01/19, 10:28

GardenerAmateur wrote:Didier, I am referring to one of your last comments, which I summarize here: the garden of lazy led to laziness, we can hope for an elevation of the intellectual level (the words are not accurate, so in advance sorry, I summarize the idea only)

And well done, goal achieved!


I insinuated two levels of possible reading of my remark:

a) If you're less agitated, you have time to think more ... Normally, we can take the time to "forge" an opinion. Maybe even a "philosophy"?

It is not by chance that our hectic world, where information travels at the speed of light, is seriously sick of fake-news. I think that Europe and democracy can pay for this. I am sometimes pessimistic. And I sometimes think of a dark future for my children.

b) The second level is that the understanding of Potager du Sloth, with the importance of symbiosis between organisms, the natural tendency of the mechanisms to restore equilibrium, could allow us to imagine not being more stupid than a Rhizobium or Glomeromycete ... "Vast program," said the General!

When is a movement of neon green slips with the slogan: "Glomeromycete? Me too !!!"
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Re: The Kitchen Garden Sloth: Gardening without fatigue more than Bio

Unread Messageby izentrop » 12/01/19, 14:18

Hello,
ImageIt's like everything, a question of dose, everything is relative.

Many cultivated soils are deficient in copper as a trace element. https://www.gissol.fr/donnees/cartes/le ... eante-1915

The problem of copper is that it is not very mobile in the soil ... solved with tillage. Mulching that has been reworked must have the same effect of preventing concentration.
The problem, I think, must arise more for the vine or the plants are always in the same place and where the authorized doses are 6 times higher than for other crops : Shock: Will understand. : Lol:
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Re: The Kitchen Garden Sloth: Gardening without fatigue more than Bio

Unread Messageby Did67 » 12/01/19, 15:27

Yes.

a) Copper is a trace element, absorbed by plants, which therefore need it (like man)!

b) Doses are the question.

"Copper (Cu) is one of the micronutrients required in very small amounts by plants." The normal range in the substrate is 0,05-0,5 ppm, while in most tissues the normal range is 3 -10 ppm. "

In: https://www.pthorticulture.com/fr/zone- ... ticulture/

The crop requirements are between 25 and 150 g per hectare. The treatment consists in spreading copper sulphate as a preventive measure or as a spray treatment on the leaves of copper-based specialties.

In: https://fertilisation-edu.fr/nutrition- ... ments.html

The worm populations begin to be decimated from 150 ppm.

c) Figures to be compared with those of treatments or soil tests:

- In viticulture, arboriculture or market gardening, 100 pp is frequently found; INRA has done analyzes in viticultural soils with more than 500 ppm!

- the "maximum" input, which should be 5 kg copper / ha and per year, if it is assumed that the copper is not mobile and focuses on the first 10 cm, correspond to 1,5 ppm; every year and this is cumulative !

It can be seen that there is a considerable gap between the needs of plants and the normal contents of soil and the repeated contributions (knowing that few people, except the certified "bio" professionals, respect the maximum doses of 5 average kg per year!) of farmers.

I do not think it is serious to defend the use of copper on the grounds that plants need it!

That said, the low mobility can lead to a paradoxical state: superficial layers decimated worms and glomeromycetes and deep layers poorly provided with respect to the needs of plants). With the paradox that in the absence of worms and mycorrhizae, it will not circulate "well between these two layers!
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