Hay germination

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Hay germination




by Carl » 26/03/18, 19:55

Hello everybody

Big surprise when going to the vegetable patch today !!!
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Big doubts! Has the grass already pierced ??? was the hay layer insufficient? !!?
Yep, it was asked on February 18 and it's been 2 weeks since I last came!

: Fears:







Then digging a little ...
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And by lifting ...
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Finally taking a strand ...
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I therefore deduce that the hay germinates on itself!

Having not yet heard of this phenomenon, I ask you the question: is this normal? what are the impacts? no risk of rooting? actions to do? how to get rid of it?

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Re: Germination of hay




by dede2002 » 27/03/18, 14:02

Hello,

Nice pictures :) , I think that if the hay thickness is sufficient, and that it is dry enough, the roots will not reach the ground and the shoots will dry. To be continued...
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Re: Germination of hay




by Did67 » 28/03/18, 08:42

1) This has already been reported to me twice (one case in Belgium).

2) I have not yet been able to identify the grass in question.

3) My hypothesis (and therefore my doubt) is that there would be one or more grasses which do not "walk" like the others and which would even germinate in a thick layer.

What would interest me a lot:

a) That you grow a few feet of this grass until it blooms and take pictures of the ear for me (grasses are quite difficult to determine at the seedling stage, but generally quite easy at the "ear" stage) ...

It could be Ryegrass, an "English" grass quite similar to wheat. And which is the basis of "artificial meadows".

b) Perhaps the farmer who supplied you can confirm that this is: 1) an "artificial" meadow (grass that has been cultivated - like wheat or corn ) or not ? And if so, what grasses did he sow?

Unfortunately, I am afraid that this will take root. And recommends that you "turn" the hay, from the next period of good weather, as if you were withering it. This should tear off those seedlings and dry them out. To check.
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Re: Germination of hay




by Carl » 28/03/18, 20:36

It is true that the layer is dense and wet at this location.
I will try to cultivate a small part to keep you informed.
I do not think I can get info from the farmer because there is an intermediary between us.
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by phil53 » 28/03/18, 23:21

It happened to me long before I knew about the phenoculture, I sometimes put small hay trees at the feet because I had too much for my sheep. One year there was grass to germinate, moreover at the beginning of the main thread, I had made a remark on this subject.
It must be a phenomenon due to particular weather conditions.
That said, I was doing this on land with a layer of soil of about 20cm with argelette underneath. My goal was to limit evaporation, I did not expect to feed these small trees at the same time. With what I know now, this explains why they grew while wild blackthorns could barely survive, even the brambles.
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Re: Germination of hay




by Did67 » 29/03/18, 09:20

And what did you do ???? Let it grow? Faded ???
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by phil53 » 29/03/18, 09:50

I did not care since the grass under the trees existed but I seem to remember that the plants disappear when the rain stops
This must depend a lot on the thickness and the nature of the hay. Close to straw or not.
I have noticed that when I retrieve crushed mature grass, the seeds tend to germinate. Probably because the top layer dries less quickly
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Re: Germination of hay




by Carl » 16/04/18, 19:34

New visit after a long absence (from work).
The phenomenon is expanding and growing ...........
I think I'll have to rework the hay, to air it ... what do you think?

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Re: Germination of hay




by Carl » 17/04/18, 20:12

What do you think ?
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Is it so uncommon?
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Re: Germination of hay




by phil53 » 17/04/18, 22:52

It is rather rare, this exceptionally wet year is certainly the cause.
The cures:
Either shake / turn the hay before the seeds reach the ground.
Or put a layer of hay or other blanket. If we have the material as long as nothing has grown it's the easiest
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