Fruits and Vegetables "without pesticide residue" but not ORGANIC: what are we talking about?

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by Moindreffor » 15/07/21, 18:06

GuyGadeboisLeRetour wrote:Well, I see that the truce is broken ...

If you see it as an aggression, I'm sorry, and I'll leave it there, debating is interesting, fighting a lot less, I make one exception, with certain sectarian remarks from Janic that I find dangerous
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by Exnihiloest » 15/07/21, 18:53

Moindreffor wrote:... following my question on the harvest of tomato seeds potentially contaminated by mildew, I followed the link given by Didier and we came across a forum passionate about tomatoes and therefore seed exchanges, and following here and there, I arrived on a subject of the authorization of peasant seeds, of which here, you congratulated yourself on this victory, and well over there, like you, a member immediately shouted victory, but his enthusiasm was quickly modulated, among these specialists in the exchange and conservation of seeds, that we are not here, the response was to advise to systematically "disinfect" the seeds that we could recover in this way for fear of infecting his vegetable garden as was already the case, so when I spoke of risks, was I wrong and are you right?

From time immemorial there have been natural contaminations not only of cutures and animals (bacteria, parasites), but also of the food which one draws from them, in particular because again bacteria (salmonella, campylobacter, Escherichia Coli, listeria ...) and parasites (trematode, echinococcus ...).
Industrial food has had the advantage of making us forget them, through a controlled environment and the use of chemical parades, but the more "natural" we do, the greater the risk.
It is precisely to avoid these risks that the opposite excess has been achieved with the use of phytosanitary products. To forget why we got there, and to refuse these products in the name of naturalness, is to take the risk of rediscovering the previous problems. This is because, contrary to what the simplistic views at GuyGadebois tell us, it is not ONLY to make money and improve its margins, that the agri-food industry or farmers use products. There are also and above all legitimate reasons.

this little parenthesis, just to say that we can have convictions, for some people raised to the ranks of beliefs and be in error, so rather than throwing the names of birds in the face of the first one who does not fit in your meaning, if you take a step back, and sometimes no need to look for proof, because in the scientific world each specialty has its Raoult, just listen to the people in the field or discuss calmly

It is common sense. Even being in error never implies insult or slander. While beliefs and convictions do of course not have to be respected (in which case we could no longer criticize anything), on the other hand respect is due to people, and in particular to those who express themselves in a discussion. This is less true for public figures and their parties or organizations, who become open to criticism because of their public mobilization / activism (which to my knowledge is not the case with anyone here, the forums more of the "living room discussion" between anonymous), even if of course they still have the right to respect as a private person.
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by Janic » 16/07/21, 10:46

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You must complete:
The old con (repeats the same bullshit over and over again and he is proud of it).
in short, you are proud to repeat the same bullshit over and over again like all the old idiots in question.
We sympathize with your difficult brain situation! : Cry:
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by Janic » 16/07/21, 10:58

world reflection effort
I make one exception, with certain sectarian remarks from Janic that I find dangerous
Ah yes! Which ones for example? Those who disturb your little comfort of conformist in the pay of the chemical industry ... of synthesis (do not forget! : Cheesy:) But my sweetheart the world is moving, without you, and the truths of yesterday are and will be the errors or lies of tomorrow. You are still at the flatness of thought.
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by Moindreffor » 16/07/21, 13:51

Janic wrote:world reflection effort
I make one exception, with certain sectarian remarks from Janic that I find dangerous
Ah yes! Which ones for example? Those who disturb your little comfort of conformist in the pay of the chemical industry ... of synthesis (do not forget! : Cheesy:) But my sweetheart the world is moving, without you, and the truths of yesterday are and will be the errors or lies of tomorrow. You are still at the flatness of thought.

I spoke well of your sectarian remarks, not your usual stupidities, those, where what you write is dangerous for those who might believe you, like when you say that you can cure cancer by changing your diet
and these words are sectarian, because I heard the same story, more than 20 years ago from the mouth of another follower, (I speak of follower because those who advised me were in this vein) much more dangerous than you, because he was a nutritionist doctor and therefore with a level of skills much higher than yours, this is why I qualify you as a little guru, because in this ideology, you are only a small one, a repeater, but as small as you can be, you have to fight any sectarian drift

that your ego complex makes you hate everything that you will not have, such as recognition, because publishing on behalf of authors must have ego, without having a sufficiently high job to publicly reveal the titles, it's your problem, I do not raise chemistry to the rank of God, as you claim, but as a beautiful tool for those who know how to use it, but like all those who do not master, it will scares, and so you hate it, as long as you are in fear of progress you will stay with your archaic thoughts

I am not in the pay of the chemical industry because I do not devote any worship to it, I just take advantage of what it can bring me, in all lucidity, which is not your case with the "natural"
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by Christophe » 19/07/21, 15:13

And if that was just the name "without residue ..." = "without post-harvest treatment" ...

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by Janic » 20/07/21, 09:57

no effort to reflect
I spoke well of your sectarian remarks, not your usual stupidities, those, where what you write is dangerous for those who might believe you, like when you say that you can cure cancer by changing your diet
Because you, the hyper specialist in chemical methods, you know what it is? We see the result!
and these words are sectarian, because I heard the same story, more than 20 years ago from the mouth of another follower, (I speak of follower BECAUSE THOSE WHO ADVISED ME were in this vein) much more dangerous than you, because he was a nutritionist doctor
and I for more than 50 years I have followed and counted all the unfortunate people who die of cancer having absolute confidence in methods worthy of the barbarians of the middle ages, using deadly drugs forces, and butchering of bodies for little non-fatal results. So citing ONE and only one case without specifying what kind of nutrition it was is like claiming that vaccines will kill covid viruses.
I note however that you looked outside the system for other solutions "BECAUSE THOSE WHO ME ADVISED IT ". Bad luck, you have apparently knocked on the wrong door
and therefore with a level of skills much higher than yours,
in terms of medicine, it is obvious, since they only know about disease, not health! For the rest what do you know since you totally ignore mine
that's why je qualifies you as a little guru, because in this ideology, you are only a small one, a repeater, but as small as you can be you must fight any sectarian drift
very small compared to what and to whom? Very small compared to BP, there is no doubt, if only because of the money they have to impose their dogmas on the whole earth.
No wonder this monstrous system by its priests in white coats, refuses to confront directly these little ones in question who would ridicule them as the Protestants did towards the dominant Catholicism, in a not so distant time.
But you can still call whoever you want with anything, like I can call you a big asshole. Just qualifying someone make that qualification true, otherwise you would actually become a big jerk! Unless it suits you because it is the reality of your being! But that obviously cannot be combated!
that your ego complex makes you hate everything you won't have, such as recognition, because publishing on behalf of authors must have ego,
It smacks of jealousy for not knowing and being able to do the same! OUH, the envious!
My pov 'guy crazy about his absorption of carcinogens that disturb his brain.
As for recognition, it does not go through twisted speeches like yours but through concrete facts, in the experiences of people affected by experiences outside the system, after having tried this one (without however getting out of the disease) which you just ignore, in your greed by your big chemistry everywhere and in everything!
without having a sufficiently high job to publicly reveal the titles,
Ignorant Pov'ridicule! Authors' editions do not all have a national or international vocation, or even to be recognized by professional publishers. A large part of these are only used as memory for the generations which follow on the lived experiences of their elders. And so none will go beyond this stage because they have no other use. So, therefore, and contrary to your stupid thinking, these titles do not enter the public sphere.
it's your problem, i don't elevate chemistry to god like you claim,
On the contrary, to raise an idea, a belief to the level of any divine, is to believe onlyin this belief and no other, such as your first thought: " when you say you can cure cancer by changing your diet "In short you refuse to consider any other means or possibility that your" sect "well locked in on itself because" out of big pharma no salvation As claimed by the Catholic Church in its time of absolute domination and which pursued all dissidents vis-à-vis its doctrines ... like you!
but like a beautiful tool for the one who knows how to use it, but like all those who do not master it, it scares you, and therefore you hate it, as long as you are in the fear of progress you will remain with your archaic thoughts
the world is full of different tools and the oldest and most efficient of these tools, long before big chemistry for all purposes, that was precisely what you reject: the provision of all the means offered for millennia to living beings, not just selfish, self-serving humans.
I am not in the pay of the chemical industry because I do not devote any worship to it, I just take advantage of what it can bring me, in all lucidity, which is not your case with the "natural"
what you say, but your speech shows the opposite! so another presupposition based on your complete ignorance of this "natural" in question!
instead of telling all this nonsense, start with the reality of the experiences of those who have not taken your path of chemistry ... of synthesis and compare it with yours and your peers, of which 157.400 die from it every year Very sad prospect ! Poor survivor dependent until death ensues from all those artificial drugs that make you happy and your unhappiness!
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