Fruits and Vegetables "without pesticide residue" but not ORGANIC: what are we talking about?

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Re: Eat 5 pesticides and fungicides a day!




by Exnihiloest » 14/07/21, 22:03

Christophe wrote:...
Arsenic, cyanide, nicotine ... it's natural ... even petroleum ... it's natural!

so why only talk about artificial pesticides, when natural pesticides, which represent 99,99% of pesticides in food, are also harmful ?!

Then don't forget your adage: nature is shit! : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:

Did you forget it ??

To produce staphylococcus aureus, myopathy, or progeria, examples among thousands of others, yes nature is shit. Fortunately, man transcends it more or less; less with the ecologists, of course, they want it to level us.

Even known products have been carcinogenic for generations, here are a few:
  • White bread
  • Drinks over 65 °
  • French fries, crisps
  • Grilled meat
  • Chewy
  • Milk
  • Peanuts

And you come to lament for some tiny artificial pesticides no more dangerous than the many natural pesticides, like thesurvey that I gave demonstrates?

Don't stress! Or you will prepare your stomach ulcer much faster and much more surely, than your hypothetical cancer by artificial pesticides! : Lol:
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Re: Fruits and Vegetables "without pesticide residue" but not ORGANIC: what are we talking about?




by Janic » 15/07/21, 08:36

Exnihiloest »14/07/21, 22:03
Christophe wrote: ...
Arsenic, cyanide, nicotine ... it's natural ... even petroleum ... it's natural!
so why only talk about artificial pesticides, when natural pesticides, which represent 99,99% of pesticides in food, are also harmful ?!
Re stupid strikes again!
A little biology wouldn't hurt you!
The particularity of the components absorbed are in complex compositions that the living organism has been able to manage for thousands of years of adaptation. And filters concerning the products to be absorbed are taste, smell and possibly sight (when these means are not perverted by culture!)
However, natural pesticides made by plants result in taste modifications that prevent the consumer from absorbing them otherwise most living beings would have died since the origin of life!
Then don't forget your adage: nature is shit!
Did you forget it ??
To produce staphylococcus aureus, myopathy, or progeria, examples among thousands of others, yes nature is shit. Fortunately, man transcends it more or less; less with the ecologists, of course, they want it to level us.
And you call transcending what you indicate below, is that your transcendence?
Even products that have been known for generations are carcinogenic, here are some of them:
• White bread
White bread for everyday consumption only appeared with the industrialization of flour mills and its vital composition denatured by industry after that of industrial agriculture as well.
• Drinks over 65 °
All alcoholic drinks are carcinogenic whatever the dose, it is just the time that differs before appearance.
• French fries, crisps
This calls into question the industrialization of products and the way in which potatoes are prepared. French fries like crisps are not carcinogenic in themselves.
• Grilled meat
It is not that when it is grilled that it is concerogenic, it is because of its unsuitability for human consumption, the fact of grilling only aggravates this maladjustment.
• Pasta
Do the same way and with the same products as white bread
• Milk
Same thing, milk is not carcinogenic in itself, it is always due to its industrialization which denatures the basic products. Otherwise all mammals in nature would be stricken with early cancer.
• Peanuts
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All this is due to ta transcendence in question where human vanity believes it can do more and better than Mother Nature or Mr. GOD for others and I was going to forget the chance, it would have been a shame to forget the third thief of the famous trinity.
And are you complaining about a few tiny artificial pesticides no more dangerous than the many natural pesticides, as the study I gave demonstrates?
And you come to lament over some examples of pathologies for which humans are largely responsible in their choices of life ... or death!
Like this passage from the marketing advertising of poison sellers who are not going to accuse themselves of attacking the living just for the money it brings them:

We conclude that natural and synthetic chemicals are also likely to be positive in animal cancer tests. We also conclude that at low doses from most human exposures, the comparative risks of synthetic pesticide residues are insignificant.
beautiful fallacy!
So we can, WE conclude that pubmed, in the service of his majesty BP, only says bullshit : Evil:
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Re: Fruits and Vegetables "without pesticide residue" but not ORGANIC: what are we talking about?




by Moindreffor » 15/07/21, 12:52

Janic wrote:
Exnihiloest »14/07/21, 22:03
Christophe wrote: ...
Arsenic, cyanide, nicotine ... it's natural ... even petroleum ... it's natural!
so why only talk about artificial pesticides, when natural pesticides, which represent 99,99% of pesticides in food, are also harmful ?!
Re stupid strikes again!
A little biology wouldn't hurt you!
The particularity of the components absorbed are in complex compositions that the living organism has been able to manage for thousands of years of adaptation. And filters concerning the products to be absorbed are taste, smell and possibly sight (when these means are not perverted by culture!)
However, natural pesticides made by plants result in taste modifications that prevent the consumer from absorbing them otherwise most living beings would have died since the origin of life!

it changes the taste so much that the products mentioned above have been in history that you too should see yourself again being used as fish, your point is really worthless once again ... like so many of them, exhausted strong arguments ...
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by Janic » 15/07/21, 16:48

it changes the taste so much that the products mentioned above have been in history that you too should see yourself again being used as fish, your point is really worthless once again ... like so many of them, exhausted strong arguments
that's it my coconut and after you are going to go and lick Did's ass for advice on more than organic products, of which he himself recognizes the taste quality different from that of your synthetic chemist friends.
For the poisons in question, already seen, but you do not want to know anything, those who consumed them died of it and their entourage used it not to consume it, not over a few months or years but over millennia.
It is true that they did not have sophisticated devices to confirm to them that these poisons were indeed poisons. Ah, what are we to have discovered experimental evidence over centuries, millennia, millions of years for believers in evolution. : Shock: Ah, yeah what are we good at ... or we're just idiots!
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by Exnihiloest » 15/07/21, 17:21

GuyGadeboisLeRetour wrote:... 66,70% of non-organic fruits contained quantified pesticide residues ...

This is wrong, they contain much more.
Only artificial pesticides were detected, when almost all pesticides are of natural origin, these are the chemicals produced by plants during their evolution, to fight their pests, many of which are as carcinogenic as pesticides. artificial, but like them too, only in high doses.

Environmentalism is anxious to scare us, whereas artificial pesticides, generally at trace levels, are no more dangerous than natural pesticides present everywhere.
The fear manipulated by environmentalism is part of its propaganda system. Environmentalism acts like a religion proselytizing out of fear. The devastation it creates is terrible, people are made to feel guilty, the most timorous no longer dare to consume anything from the food industry, and they are made to believe in the apocalypse if they do not follow the guidelines. environmentalists, most of whom we have seen are counterproductive.

If part of the agro-food industry has exaggerated at one time, for example with hormones, regulation and control have strengthened, awareness has been raised and competition by organic encourages it indirectly not to risk too much deviation. Only fools today throw the baby out with the bathwater. It is no longer a health problem today, but a problem of taste, for everyone to choose.

Eat 5 pesticides and fungicides a day: no problem! This is already what we do, and given the number of old people on this forum, it is obviously not a handicap to live well. 8) : Lol:
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by Exnihiloest » 15/07/21, 17:30

Janic wrote:...
• Drinks over 65 °
All alcoholic drinks are carcinogenic whatever the dose, it is just the time that differs before appearance.
...

But what a redneck!
I'm talking about temperature, not degree of alcohol! Who today drinks alcohol at 65 °? : roll: Margins?

Incapable of the slightest common sense, or of going to read the sources that are provided to him and where all this is explained in detail!
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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 15/07/21, 17:31

(And Blédina to hammer home that synthetic pesticides are no more dangerous than those naturally contained in fruits and vegetables without ever citing a single one or providing even a shadow of proof that they are blatant, so that the harmfulness of certain chemical phytos is recorded, proven, measured ... and that commercial goods contain both! But what a puppet. Lie, lie constantly, there will always be something left)
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by Moindreffor » 15/07/21, 17:55

GuyGadeboisLeRetour wrote:(And Blédina to hammer home that synthetic pesticides are no more dangerous than those naturally contained in fruits and vegetables without ever citing a single one or providing even a shadow of proof that they are blatant, so that the harmfulness of certain chemical phytos is recorded, proven, measured ... and that commercial goods contain both! But what a puppet. Lie, lie constantly, there will always be something left)

For me, the problem is precisely there, and even if it goes against your beliefs, are we doing the same studies on natural pesticides as on synthetic ones, and therefore are we really trying to find out? do we not give them our blessing a bit quickly?

I am for going in the right direction, cleaner agriculture, but is it intellectually honest to promote so-called cleanliness when it would only just be less dirty, even if less dirty is already progress ... and could we not be on the wrong track? are questions that we must be able to ask without being insulted

Following my question on the harvest of tomato seeds potentially contaminated by mildew, I followed the link given by Didier and we came across a forum passionate about tomatoes and therefore seed exchanges, and following here and there, I arrived on a subject of the authorization of peasant seeds, of which here, you congratulated yourself on this victory, and well over there, like you, a member immediately shouted victory, but his enthusiasm was quickly modulated, among these specialists in the exchange and conservation of seeds, that we are not here, the response was to advise to systematically "disinfect" the seeds that we could recover in this way for fear of infecting his vegetable garden as was already the case, so when I spoke of risks, was I wrong and are you right?

this little parenthesis, just to say that we can have convictions, for some people raised to the ranks of beliefs and be in error, so rather than throwing the names of birds in the face of the first one who does not fit in your meaning, if you take a step back, and sometimes no need to look for proof, because in the scientific world each specialty has its Raoult, just listen to the people in the field or discuss calmly
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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 15/07/21, 17:57

Well, I see that the truce is broken ...
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by Exnihiloest » 15/07/21, 17:57

GuyGadeboisLeRetour wrote:(And Blédina ...

Blédina, Bozo, Blédina, Bozo, Blédina, Bozo ...

The cacochyma of the cortex no longer comes out.

GuyGadeboisLeRetour wrote:...
The old con (repeats the same bullshit over and over again)
...

You must complete:
The old con (repeats the same bullshit over and over again and he is proud of it).

GuyGadeboisLeRetour wrote:(And Blédina to hammer home that synthetic pesticides are not more dangerous than those naturally contained in fruits and vegetables without ever citing a single one or providing even a shadow of proof that it is blatant.

Of course, yes, I have provided the references, but the cortex's cacochyme is like goldfish: a turn of the bowl and he forgot the landscape.
agriculture / fruit-and-vegetables-without-pesticide-residue-but-not-bio-we-speak-about-what-t16927.html # p454616

The study already cited:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2217210
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