Eat insects! Let's be insectivores

[Ahmed]

Janic, you write:

Anthropophagy is also a good solution since there is an abundance of dead bait that is wasted for nothing. It's free, no specific breeding, an excellent source of protein and, it seems, a fine meat. Eat humans, let's be cannibals.

In this case, it is endogamic anthropophagy which is undoubtedly the oldest known funerary ritual * (old Paleolithic). However, it would probably be unwise to favor the food aspect to the detriment of the sanctity of this practice.
More generally, paleoanthropologists have wondered about a very meaty diet, at least in certain periods (glaciations!), Of our ancestors. Indeed, the massive ingestion of meat in a species anatomically ill-suited to this diet could cause poisoning. It would seem that it is the ingestion of fat that would avoid this inconvenience ... Likewise the brown bears which gorge themselves on salmon on the eve of hibernation only consume the fatty part of the fish and abandon the meat. ...

* Joking aside, a significant juvenile mortality would be a plus for the development of this survivalist practice!

[Janic]

In this case, it is endogamic anthropophagy which is undoubtedly the oldest known funerary ritual * (old Paleolithic). However, it would probably be unwise to favor the food aspect to the detriment of the sanctity of this practice.

In addition, this anthropophagia, apart from a religious or social character, was intended to attribute the warlike values ​​of their human enemies, or animals, by consuming moreover only certain parts supposed to be the places of these values. The food aspect is only a consequence, not the reason. But, this is the second reason that currently dominates, like factory farming!

More generally, paleoanthropologists have wondered about a very meaty diet, at least in certain periods (glaciations!), Of our ancestors. Indeed, the massive ingestion of meat in a species anatomically ill-suited to this diet could cause poisoning.

This has been widely verified on people who only consume meat and it produces significant intoxication effects which are noticeable with the loosening of the teeth that follows.

It would seem that it is the ingestion of fat that would avoid this inconvenience ... Likewise the brown bears which gorge themselves on salmon on the eve of hibernation only consume the fatty part of the fish and abandon the meat. ...

It is indeed a fact! the fatty substances which line the digestive system prevent the direct passage of toxic meat products (ptomaines) through the intestinal walls. Ketogenic diet.
It is therefore very fair! It is also because of these differences in climate, and therefore reduced plant food, that individuals adapt by consuming what is available on site. Then comes the discovery of fire as a temporary preservative, salting, fermentation which allowed these peoples, displaced from their usual living environment to survive. [*]
Then this adaptation, supposedly temporary, turns into a habit, then into a culture, then into a new way of life, even when the conditions which provoked this adaptation have ceased. It is moreover "thanks" to fermentation, to conservation that plants and fruits have become products of daily consumption such as sauerkraut, smelly cheeses and bidoche obviously and especially picrate and its 50.000 deaths by year.

[*] like the transhumance of bison followed by Indian tribes not practicing agriculture

[Janic]

after:
KUNDERA Milan is a writer of Czech and French languages

"There is no merit in behaving well with fellow human beings. (...) We will never be able to determine with certainty to what extent our relations with others are the result of our feelings, our benevolence or hatred, and in to what extent they are conditioned in advance by the balance of power between individuals. The true goodness of man can be manifested in all purity and freedom only towards those who represent no strength. The true moral test of humanity (the most radical, which is located at such a deep level that it escapes our gaze), these are the relationships with those who are at his mercy: the animals. And it is here that the fundamental bankruptcy of man occurred, so fundamental that all the others flow from it. "

the unbearable lightness of being (p.420-421):

by LAMARTINE Alphonse de Lamartine -1790-1869: French poet and politician.


- "My mother was convinced, and I kept her convictions in this regard, that killing animals to feed on their flesh and blood is one of the most deplorable and of the most shameful infirmities of the human condition; that it is one of those curses cast on man. She believed, and I believe like her, that those habits of hardening the heart towards the sweetest animals, these immolations, these appetites for blood, this sight of palpitating flesh, drive the instincts of the heart to cruelty and ferocity. "
- "My mother believed, and I believe it too, that this food [meat], more succulent and more energetic in appearance, contains in itself principles irritants and putrid which stir the blood and shorten the days of man ... She never let me eat meat before the age when I was thrown into the jumbled life of the Colleges. ... So, until the age of twelve, I lived only on bread, dairy products, vegetables and fruit. My health was no less strong, my development no less rapid [...] "

[Janic]

and still in the series, kikadikoi!

LESTEL dominique French philosopher and ethologist, lecturer in the cognitive studies department of the École normale supérieure and member of a research team in eco-anthropology and ethnology at the National Museum of Natural History.

“If the animal is hardly thinkable as a machine, it can be (...) transformed into a machine. The twentieth century did not invent the notion of animal-machine, but it made the idea concrete through intensive breeding and the handling of laboratory animals. (...) The twentieth century invents (...), thamong other horrors of which he was lavished, the hidden animal, the one of which man is ashamed (...). The modern animal is not obscene because it reminds us that we are a species of animals, but because it highlights our undoubtedly unique capacity for power. degrading other living creatures, to the point of making them lose what exactly made them animals. "
- Dominique Lestel, from animal-machines to animal machines

MAETERLINCK Maurice born August 29, 1862 in Ghent (Belgium) and died May 5, 1949 in Nice (France), is a French-speaking Belgian writer. He received the Nobel Prize for Literature en

"It is not my intention here to go into the question of vegetarianism or to meet any objections to it, but it must be recognized that very few of these objections stand up to fair and careful examination, and 'we can say that all those who submitted to this diet felt their strength increases, their health is restored or strengthened, their spirit lightens and purifies itself as if coming out of a secular prison, nauseating and miserable […] If someday the certainty became generalized that man could do without the flesh of animals, there would not only be a great economic revolution, - because an ox, to produce a pound of meat, consumes more than a hundred pounds of forage, - there would still be a moral improvement probably as important and certainly more sincere and lasting than if the Father's Envoy came back a second time to visit our land to repair the errors and the omissions of his first pilgrimage. "

[Moindreffor]

What is a myth in philosophy?
"A myth is a story forged to answer the big questions that men have always asked themselves when they reflect on their origins, the reasons for being and the destinies of our universe and our race, the great enigmatic phenomena that exist there. present to us from all sides. »

so this gives an answer that suits a philosopher at a given moment, but it does not give any truth
the atom was described and very correctly by a philosopher long before the totally erroneous 4 element theory, but the 4 element theory supplanted it, and Man has lost almost 3000 years of possible evolution in the scientific field
so the statement of a myth still does not make it a reality

to say that myth and theory are synonymous is a serious mistake and you will not find dictionaries that make this error, for proof the theory evolves, the myths are denounced

the characteristic of the writer is to be able to abstract oneself from all reality, all proof or any other justification, which means that quoting writers, philosophers, poets, does not give any additional weight to your words

[Janic]

Moindreffor »04/12/20, 17:20

janic wrote: What is a myth in philosophy?
"A myth is a story forged to answer the major questions that men have always asked themselves when they reflect on their origins, the reasons for being and the fates of our universe and our race, the great enigmatic phenomena that exist there. present to us from all sides. "

so this gives an answer that suits a philosopher at a given moment, but it does not give any truth

This is the only fair thing you said from the start, which obviously does not go back to this single topic.

the atom was described and very correctly by a philosopher long before the totally erroneous 4 element theory, but the 4 element theory supplanted it, and Man has lost almost 3000 years of possible evolution in the scientific field
so the statement of a myth still does not make it a reality

. But the scientific knowledge that you call upon they yes ! They are verifiable, controllable, measurable, etc… and complete the philosophical aspect not having our technical means to do so.
Not on the how of things but on the why of them, which brings them closer to spiritualist discourses, but without religion.

say that myth and theory are synonymous

?

is a serious error and you will not find dictionaries which make this error, for proof the theory evolves, the myths are denounced

A double mistake on your part!
the myths as indicated above relate to a present vision expressed with the knowledge, the sensitivity, and the language of the moment.
A theory does not concern the why but the how and it is a gross error to have wanted to separate them.

the characteristic of the writer is to be able to abstract himself from all reality, FROM ALL EVIDENCE or from any other justification, which means that quoting writers, philosophers, poets, does not give any additional weight to your words

They do express sensitivities, but they have been verified for a century by biological and therefore anatomical evidence , they and qwhich cannot be, precisely, contested and yet that's what you do, placing yourself as ABC above science while claiming to recommend it.

[wirbelwind262]

the question is not whether we can, or even if we must, but is it suited to human physiology. Anthropophagy is also a good solution since there is an abundance of dead bait that is wasted for nothing. It's free, no specific breeding, an excellent source of protein and, it seems, a fine meat. Eat humans, let's be cannibals.

"is this suitable" ?? there is no lack of studies ..... not to mention since the time that humanity has eaten it ....
if not, your debate is not a little off topic and private?!?

[Moindreffor]

the question is not whether we can, or even if we must, but is it suited to human physiology. Anthropophagy is also a good solution since there is an abundance of dead bait that is wasted for nothing. It's free, no specific breeding, an excellent source of protein and, it seems, a fine meat. Eat humans, let's be cannibals.

"is this suitable" ?? there is no lack of studies ..... not to mention since the time that humanity has eaten it ....
if not, your debate is not a little off topic and private?!?

you're absolutely right, as usual Janic turns away the debates to keep control, indeed, many civilizations have long eaten insects, the traditional Mexican dish is a pancake of aquatic flies, with the invasion of Mac Do , the Mexicans turned away from this dish, hence an invasion of flies, hence the introduction of prawns in the waterways, which of course ate the larvae of flies but also the larvae of species of Mexican endemic fish, hence their disappearance

So yes, Man is capable of eating insects and has always done so

[Janic]

wirbelwind262 wrote:

janic wrote: the question is not whether we can or even if we must, but is it suitable for human physiology. Anthropophagy is also a good solution since there is an abundance of dead bait that is wasted for nothing. It's free, no specific breeding, an excellent source of protein and it is, it seems, fine meat. Eat humans, let's be cannibals.

"is this suitable" ?? there is no lack of studies ..... not to mention since the time that humanity has eaten it ....

eat other humans?

if not, your debate is not a little off topic and private?!?

as far as it is about eating, it is!
Good reflection precisely! not to mention since the time that humanity ... have humans adapted to war since the time they hit each other? Murder and rape have also been practiced since time immemorial.
Hence the right question between we can ou we have to ?
Moindreffort

you are absolutely right, as usual Janic turns away from the discussions to keep control, indeed,

And Moindreffort wants to keep his, which does not answer the question between can and must!

So yes, Man is capable of eating insects and has always done so

as he can kill, rape, steal, he is also capable of that and has always done so, but is this a valid reference?
Between being able and being made for, the question has been decided on the scientific level, your hobby of you who want scientific evidence for everything, but who despise it when it does not go your way.

so follow:


MONOD Théodore André , born April 9, 1902 in Rouen and died November 22, 2000 in Versailles, is un naturalist scientist, French explorer, scholar and humanist.
“What we can criticize is this exclusive pre-eminence given to man, because it involves everything else. If man were more modest and more convinced of the unity of things and beings, of his responsibility and of his solidarity with other living beings, things would be very different. ”Théodore Monod

OVID: in Latin Publius Ovidius Naso, born March 20, 43 BC. AD in Sulmona, in central Italy and died in 17 AD. AD, in exile in Tomis (now Constanţa in Romania), is a Latin poet who lived during the period that saw the birth of the Roman Empire

“How he has horrible tastes, how he is preparing to shed human blood one day, the one who cold-bloodedly slaughters a lamb, and which listens to its plaintive bleating; the one who can mercilessly kill the young kid and hear him roar like a child; he who can eat the bird he has fed with his hand! How far is it from this crime to the last of crimes, homicide? Does it not open the way? Let the beef plow, and die only of old age; let the sheep provide us with Borée's freezing breath, and the goats present their full breasts to the hand that presses them. No more beasts and lakes, no more treacherous inventions; no longer attract the bird to the gooey, no longer push the terrified deer into your webs, no longer hide, under a deceptive bait, the point of the hook. "
- Ovid, The Metamorphoses, book XV122.

[Moindreffor]

Jesus multiplied the loaves and the fish ... not the courgettes and the turnips ...