The end of the thermal vehicle arrives bright electric.

[izentrop]

Lithium production may be the limiting factor https://www.planetoscope.com/matieres-p ... thium.html

[Remundo]

When we understand that we should not oppose electric and thermal, because they are complementary in a hybrid architecture.

just like opposing the salt and the meat in the sausage.

[moinsdewatt]

Open question .... is electric really the only alternative to thermal for vehicles

Do not forget the Hydrogen sector.

[lilian07]

Today there are 2 potential sectors that must emerge. Very clever the one who will see the one who will win. The latest projections and profit show that hydrogen should take over. Why? HYDROGEN better responds to a vision of STOCK, Autonomy and smoothing of need in winter in particular. Furthermore, the ecological balance seems to be higher and the technology more sustainable and more adaptable to other fields .... finally the benefit with renewable energies is just as good as with batteries ....

[Remundo]

the battery sector has a yield 3 times higher than hydrogen ...

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Source: Ulf Bossel, 1835 page

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

We didn't leave the hostel ....

I would like to live this end of oil ...

[chatelot16]

this kind of comparison is difficult

putting yield on a board is easy but yield of what?

we can measure the performance of the available battery, because there are many types of battery actually available

but in hydrogen storage and fuel cell storage that has seen something commercially available? I can't find anything ... we can fantasize about prototypes but I only believe what I see, and worse what I can buy!

then there is a more serious problem: the purpose of a car is not to make kw, it is to transport a person

an ultra light car with a small heat engine may be more economical to transport my 90 kg than an electric car that weighs 1 ton

a thermal vehicle despite its poor performance can be more economical than an electric vehicle that is too heavy

good finally currently available vehicle are both thermal and too heavy ... so whatever the method we can improve that it is by making thermal lighter or electric

[sicetaitsimple]

the battery sector has a yield 3 times higher than hydrogen ...

Very meaningful diagram .... We can discuss infinite intermediate yields but in the end it will not fundamentally change the end result, at least with the technologies available today.

The costs remain, because an efficient solution (in energy terms) is not necessarily the best in economic terms. We know the famous formula "the cheapest energy is the one we do not consume", but it turns out that it is regularly defeated in reality .....

I tend to think that the battery will be the choice for private vehicles and that hydrogen will be the choice for heavy transport.

[ENERC]

HYDROGEN responds better to a STOCK vision

Not in gaseous form. You just have to see the size of a Toyota Mirai tank to understand it ....

By cons associated with carbon to make methane, or nitrogen to make ammonia, there it is more serious.
We also forget that we can replace coal with hydrogen in steel mills and use it for fertilizers.

An article by the IEA on this subject: http://www.iea.org/newsroom/news/2017/a ... nergy.html

In some not-too-distant future, ammonia could be used on its own as a carbon-free fuel or as an energy carrier to store and transport energy conveniently

[Gaston]

By cons associated with carbon to make methane, or nitrogen to make ammonia, there it is more serious.

There are also storage possibilities in the form formic (or methanoic) acid.