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Re: Electric buses




by moinsdewatt » 15/04/19, 16:19

BYD launches the longest electric bus in the world

Hugo LARA / Apr 2, 2019

The world leader in electric buses BYD has launched the “K12A”, a giant model 27 meters long. It can carry up to 250 passengers on an entire day of service on a single charge.

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With 50.000 electric buses already delivered worldwide, the Chinese manufacturer BYD is a benchmark in the field. At his HQ in Shenzhen, he presented a 100% electric extra long service level (BHNS) Bus model. With its 27 meters, two joints and 4 wheel drive, it can take on board 250 passengers at a maximum speed of 70 km / h. An adaptive motor, which can juggle between 2 and 4 driving wheels.

BYD announces a range of 300 km on a single charge, which easily corresponds to one day of operation. If it does not communicate detailed characteristics, it ensures that the “K12A” can be recharged by alternating or direct current. As on the other models, it has a thermal management system for the batteries and energy recovery under braking. It is not yet known whether the "longest electric bus in the world" can be assembled in the French BYD factory in Allonne (Oise). Its price is also unknown.



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Re: Electric buses




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Re: Electric buses




by moinsdewatt » 31/05/19, 09:42

Hyundai realizes an electric double-decker bus

Fri 31/05/2019 - An opportunity to seize?

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There is a demand. City officials, city dwellers, environmentalists of all stripes, they all want electric city buses. But if there are already a few models on the market, these are either models from European manufacturers that are not yet in regular production, or Chinese models from unknown manufacturers in Europe. There may then be an opportunity to seize for an industrial giant like Hyundai, and this is what would have pushed him to develop this vehicle.

Hyundai electric bus This is a double-decker bus with 70 seats. With a water-cooled battery with a capacity of 384 kWh. Its autonomy is 300 km, and it has a very efficient fast charging system, which requires only 72 minutes. It is not yet known if this bus will go into production, it was presented 2 days ago in South Korea, but it at least shows that if the demand is there, Hyundai will meet it.


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Re: Electric buses




by moinsdewatt » 04/06/19, 01:53

VIDEO. Bordeaux: How the TBM network is preparing for the turn of the electric bus
Bordeaux Métropole is testing these days the Bolloré Bluebus on the Liane 15, before testing six other types of vehicles, the objective being to order about sixty electric buses in 2022


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Bordeaux Métropole has just launched a full-scale test of large capacity electric buses on its transport network. Over a period of six months, the city will thus test vehicles from seven different manufacturers, in real conditions, on the Liane 15 which runs from Villenave d'Ornon to Bordeaux-Lac, before possibly ordering in 2022 to replace its fleet of buses running on diesel. It has just started its experiment with the Bolloré Bluebus.

Why would you want to replace the fleet of diesel vehicles with electric buses?

Bordeaux Métropole anticipates the Mobilités law which should prohibit diesel vehicles by 2040. "We have chosen not to renew our diesel-powered vehicles when they are replaced in 2022," explains the vice-president. in charge of transport, Christophe Duprat (LR). This represents only 20% of the fleet, or around 60 buses, since we had made from the end of the 1990s the choice of a fleet of NGV (Natural Gas for vehicles) buses, which today represent 70% of the fleet [the remaining 10% are hybrid vehicles]. "

Why test seven manufacturers on the Liane 15?

“Before launching into a possible market, we wanted to test in real conditions a certain number of manufacturers [Bolloré, but also Alstom, MAN, Yutong, Heuliez…] details Christophe Duprat. The idea may be to have, from 2023, specific lines running only electric. "For Hervé Lefèvre, director of Keolis Bordeaux," this test will allow us to assess the range of these vehicles under normal traffic conditions, with customers on board who will use all the auxiliary power supplies to the engine. "

Vehicles will also be tested “with or without heating, with or without air conditioning, etc. They are currently announced with a range of 200 km / day, which is a bit fair for the Bordeaux network, but the various manufacturers should be able to offer vehicles traveling between 260 and 280 km in the next three years.

What exactly is the Bolloré Bluebus?

The Bluebus currently represents the largest fleet of 12-meter electric buses traveling in France. "We have 56 Bluebus trains running in Paris, on line 341 which is fully electric, and on lines 115 and 126 where we alternate electric and thermal" explains Christian Studer, the spokesperson for Bluebus. “We are also present in Rennes and Vichy, and we won calls for tenders in Brussels and another for 800 buses in Ile-de-France with two other manufacturers. " The Bluebus operates with four batteries located on the ceiling and four at the rear. They weigh a total of 2,4 tonnes and recharge in five hours. Bolloré guarantees them for six years, "even if we are certain that they will live for ten years. The cost of this vehicle is 320.000 euros, to which must be added 240.000 euros of batteries, which gives an overall cost 25 to 30% higher than a diesel bus.

And how does this electric bus behave?

We met Philippe Mesnard, an experienced driver from the TBM network, responsible for piloting the Bluebus during this experimentation phase. "The start-up procedure is different," he explains, "but driving doesn't really change from a conventional bus, except that it is more pleasant, and when braking you return from the energy in the batteries, so you have to play with it constantly. It's just a blow to take at the start, but I had an hour's training from the manufacturer, and that's more than enough. "

Does the TBM network target other “clean” engines?

"We will try to inject biogas into our CNG," explains Christophe Duprat, who recalls that gas is considered to be a fossil fuel. Then, in addition to the electrics which should notably equip the 18-meter bus fleet of the future BHNS Gare Saint-Jean-Saint-Aubin, the city is also interested in hydrogen. "We are impatiently awaiting the launch of the first hydrogen BHNS in Pau on September 9"; launches Christophe Duprat. “What we want is to ultimately offer an energy mix, with biogas, hydrogen and electricity. The elected official finally recalls that the share of the tram, which runs on electricity, will represent 70% of the entire TBM network when line D opens at the end of the year.


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Re: Electric buses




by moinsdewatt » 15/01/20, 01:16

Paris: while RATP is on strike, Keolis buses arrive

By César Armand 14/01/2020

On January 8, the SNCF subsidiary won the tender for the operation of the electric bus line in the 15th arrondissement. Keolis also says he is interested in the opening of RATP buses to competition scheduled for January 1, 2025.

In the midst of the Paris public transport strike, the news went under radar screens. On January 8, RATP's historic competitor, Keolis, won the tender for the operation of the line. electric bus serving the 15th arrondissement of Paris.
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Re: Electric buses




by Christophe » 17/01/20, 00:45

384 kWh for 300 km? Or nearly 130 kWh per 100 km ... where cars are at 15 to 20 kWh ... it's 6 to 8 times more ...

It is a fairly large consumption ... which is equivalent to about 130 / 0,25 / 10 = 52 L / 100 km ... it seems a lot to me right?

A modern semi consumes in the 30-35 L to 100 ..
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by Remundo » 17/01/20, 01:03

in order of magnitude, it's not shocking, it's still gluttonous, these big sideboards.
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by Christophe » 17/01/20, 09:00

Well when we communicate on the innovation of electric transport, normally we take care of this kind of figures ...

A thermal bus in town must consume in the 50L per 100 km given the consecutive stops but an electric must precisely, due to technology, have to better manage its energy ... I had always heard that a garbage truck was in 100 L / 100km ... (stops + hydraulics)

Also it looks more like a coach than a city bus ...
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by Remundo » 17/01/20, 10:05

it depends a lot on the bus usage profile,

if it is on the periphery with not too many stops, or if it brakes and re-accelerates a lot. Even with regenerative braking, I noticed on my cars that energy is left when the speed is chopped by traffic, in particular the last meters of braking are not recovered, and especially a charge-discharge efficiency, it is at best 80% (0,9 x 0,9), and in practice as it goes through the complete powertrain, tires included, 50% would already be not bad (0,7 x 0,7).

A garbage truck can consume everything between 30 and> 1000 L / 100 km, I mean if it is very static and compacts the garbage, or if it runs at 80 on national ...
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Re: Electric buses




by Christophe » 17/01/20, 10:18

A) I don't have an electric car but I have bikes :)

And I see worse than you: the regeneration of my ATV only works at "high" speed, it takes at least 30 km / h for the electromagnetic recovery to be felt (deceleration felt) ... probably the engine design wheel who wants that!

It is accepted that cycling regeneration allows only a small gain of autonomy of 5 to 10% (according to the instructions) so I don't know if the premature wear of the batteries by braking recovery (strong charging current, random and not at all regulated) is really worth it on bikes ... which are still rarely more than 30 km / h!

Also the notice specifies that there is a premature wear of the armature if regeneration is used.

Personally I disabled it for a while although I am in a hilly place ...

B) For the garbage truck it is an average, order of magnitude to have in mind ... Besides, it is surprising that none is electrified ... because with optimized regeneration at low speed, the electric would have all its interest!

After that there is not only electrical regeneration ... I remember an exercise at the engineering school (end of the 90s therefore !!) on a oil-pneumatic regeneration which had fascinated me and which would have had all its meaning on the garbage trucks! But obviously that does not interest anyone ... the manufacturers prefer the ease of 100% oil ... Then we bury it is the community that pays! : Evil:
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