LITHIUM, enough resources for all electric vehicles?

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Re: LITHIUM, enough resources for all electric vehicles?




by Christophe » 29/11/20, 18:16

ENERC wrote:
Christophe wrote:How does the lithium from used batteries get recycled?

No one cares about recycling lithium.
The kg of lithium carbonate was at $ 13 per kg in 2019 (source Statistica 2020)
It takes 600 grams of Lithium carbonate per kWh, or $ 390 for a 50 kWh battery.
At twice the price of copper .... it is not profitable.

To recover it I think the recycling process for low temperature batteries is preferable. But there will be impurities, and therefore an unprofitable process at present. There is astronomical quantity of lithium in the oceans (230 billion tonnes of lithium in seawater at a concentration of about 1,8 mg per liter).

We will run out of petroleum long before we run out of Lithium.


Ah OK !!! Thanks for those numbers!

Good bin so the subject is what? To give grain to grind to anti electric? : Cheesy: : Cheesy: : Cheesy:
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by ENERC » 29/11/20, 18:24

Christophe wrote:Ah OK !!! Thanks for those numbers!

Good bin so the subject is what? To give grain to grind to anti electric? : Cheesy: : Cheesy: : Cheesy:

On the other hand, there is a real environmental problem with, for example, a desalination plant in Chile which is used for the extraction of lithium in the Acatama desert several hundred km away. Total ecological nonsense.
The real subject is to make the extraction of Lithium less polluting. it goes back to the subject on Arte with the extraction of graphite in China.
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by Obamot » 30/11/20, 01:45

sicetaitsimple wrote:Just one question: there was a lot of talk 2 or 3 years ago of a possible "second life" of battery cells from EVs to stationary storage systems, especially for individuals. I don't remember which car manufacturer (s) even made announcements.
It doesn't seem technically stupid as a stationary storage will be much less strained in power variations than an EV battery. But economically, can that make sense?
What do you think?
PS: I am talking about an industrial deployment, not installations of inventive handymen as we can find on Youtube.

Tesla is doing or was already doing that right? https://www.tesla-mag.com/batteries-recyclables-bonnes-nouvelles/
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by Remundo » 30/11/20, 09:49

ENERC wrote:
Christophe wrote:How does the lithium from used batteries get recycled?

No one cares about recycling lithium.
The kg of lithium carbonate was at $ 13 per kg in 2019 (source Statistica 2020)
It takes 600 grams of Lithium carbonate per kWh, or $ 390 for a 50 kWh battery.
At twice the price of copper .... it is not profitable.

To recover it I think the recycling process for low temperature batteries is preferable. But there will be impurities, and therefore an unprofitable process at present. There is astronomical quantity of lithium in the oceans (230 billion tonnes of lithium in seawater at a concentration of about 1,8 mg per liter).

We will run out of petroleum long before we run out of Lithium.

good remarks from Enerc, even if I did not check the figures,

the ideas are good.

I recently saw a report on the recycling of Lithium batteries, the goal was to recover the Cobalt and Nickel (from memory).

At the end the journalist said to the technicians, "So we are going to make new batteries with?", Grimaces ... then answer ... well uh no there are impurities, the metal is not good enough for them. incorporate into the battery manufacturing process.

Technically it is not impossible to separate these metals at 99,9% because their melting points are very variable. But here it is: if we leave pure metal for less by mining in the broad sense ...

So recycling, and it's not specific to batteries, it's a matter of mining resources and comparative costs...

Without saying that also hovers above the shortage of energy, because the purification of metals is a very heavy industrial process, mainly boiled down to hydrocarbons, and also a little electricity if we do electrometallurgy.

But the energy shortage could make mining more expensive and orient on recycling ... if the present still seems voracious and without embarrassment, the future is in the recycling of metals, the question is to know when and for which metal. ..
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by moinsdewatt » 06/12/20, 18:38

A report on Lithium from the North of Portugal and the opposition of the local population: https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/030273-78 ... reportage/
see from minute 1 to minute 26.
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by moinsdewatt » 06/12/20, 18:41

Continuation of this post from 29 seven 2019 http://www.oleocene.org/phpBB3/viewtopi ... 9#p2288729

The Lithium Thacker Pass project in Nevada is in the final stages of review by environmental authorities.

Lithium Americas' Thacker Pass closer to production

MINING.COM Staff Writer | December 4, 2020

Lithium Americas has moved one step closer towards production at its Thacker Pass lithium project in Nevada following the release of the project's final environmental impact statement (EIS) by the US government.


Thacker Pass, located 100 km northwest of Winnemucca, Nevada, is host to the largest known lithium resource in the US. It is designed as a two-phase open-pit project, with production capacity that could reach 60,000 tonnes of battery-grade lithium carbonate (Li2CO3) per year over a 46 year-mine life.

The Bureau of Land Management, which oversees most of the country's federal land, published the final EIS following a comprehensive review of the potential impacts of the project, including alternatives and a full examination of project and site-specific mitigation measures.

Those eligible to participate in developing the scope and content of the final EIS include: local communities and tribes, Humboldt County, the State of Nevada, US Fish and Wildlife Service, and the US Environmental Protection Agency.

“The publication of the final EIS is the culmination of more than a decade of work studying, exploring and developing the Thacker Pass project,” Lithium Americas president and CEO Jon Evans said in a press release.

“Thacker Pass has the potential to provide future sources of high-quality lithium chemicals critical for establishing a strong domestic lithium supply chain required to support a low-carbon economy.”

The company said it expects a record of decision, the last step in the federal permitting process, early in the new year. Meanwhile, water permit applications for the project, which were submitted mid-2020, are still being reviewed by Nevada state officials.

Lithium Americas previously said it plans to spend $ 400 million on the first phase of the Thacker Pass project, with initial output of 20,000 tonnes of lithium annually. The mine is expected to open by 2023.


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by moinsdewatt » 20/12/20, 11:32

(Singapore) New factory to recycle 14 tonnes of lithium batteries per day

Posted on 11/12/2020 by Philippe Schwoerer

Regularly mentioned as a serious drawback of electric mobility, the lack of recycling lithium batteries is a lure. This is proven once again by a company specializing in the field. After the site of its Recupyl subsidiary near Grenoble (38), TES has just inaugurated a unit in Singapore capable of reinjecting up to 99% of strategic materials such as cobalt and lithium into the battery manufacturing circuit.

280.000 PHONE BATTERIES

The 14 tonnes of lithium-ion batteries that TES B can process per day represents a volume of 280.000 mobile phones, or between 50 and 75 packs of electric cars. This type of establishment is multiplying all over the world. That of Singapore has particularly high recovery rates since 4% of the materials that make up the waste entering the plant can be reinjected according to the principle of the circular economy in order to manufacture new batteries. The percentage is even higher with strategic materials such as cobalt and nickel for which fears are regularly raised regarding their long-term availability.

LEVELS NEVER REACHED

Less CO2 emitting than other lithium battery recycling methods, “the proprietary hydrometallurgy process operated by TES extracts materials such as lithium and cobalt at unmatched levels of purity and extraction rates. , which makes them materially and commercially viable for reuse in the supply chain dedicated to the manufacture of batteries ”, confirms TES. In addition to the obligation imposed on manufacturers to recover, in order to avoid any pollution, the batteries of the devices and vehicles they manufacture, the recycling of lithium-ion accumulators is made necessary by the prospects for the development of demand. According to GlobalData, for example, lithium needs are expected to increase from around 47.300 tonnes in 2020 to 117.400 tonnes in 2024.

AN ECOSYSTEM THAT IS SETTING UP

Global Vice President for Battery Operations at TES, Thomas Holberg comments on the opening in Singapore of this new end-of-life accumulator processing plant: “While their use is increasing exponentially in the world. around the world, lithium-ion batteries began to create their own ecosystem. Their proper recycling and reuse when they are used up is essential to maintain the circular economy. TES sets high standards in its commitment to sustainability. With our investments in innovative technologies such as battery recycling, we are playing our part ”.


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by moinsdewatt » 20/12/20, 11:33

The STCM begins its collection process for lithium batteries in France

Posted on December 14, 2020 by Jean-Marc GERVASIO.

A major and historic French player in the recycling of lead-acid batteries, the STCM company is extending its activity to lithium-technology accumulators, of which it will not ensure recycling but only collection, grouping and storage.

With the objective of reaching one million electrified vehicles in circulation by the end of 2022, France is showing a concrete response to environmental issues. To support the development of this sustainable mobility which massively uses lithium technology batteries, recycling of which will have to be organized very quickly, the STCM company is getting organized and offering solutions. Thus, the battery recycling specialist has decided to exploit its experience in this field by opening a collection and storage center for non-critical lithium batteries.

A dedicated site

After stopping and transferring part of the activity to another company site, the surface now released on the Bazoches-les-Gallerandes site has been transformed with suitable and secure equipment in order to accommodate the new activity lithium which will be launched in the first quarter of 2021. This STCM site will collect, group and store used lithium batteries in order to then dispatch them to treatment centers.

“We work under the control of the authorities, in close collaboration with our European counterparts who already have experience in this activity to ensure that the management of this very specific waste will be done in complete safety. A project manager with experience in lithium batteries has also been hired to manage the installation of the equipment and the launch of the activity. ” says Yann Gautron, purchasing and logistics director of STCM.



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by moinsdewatt » 07/02/21, 15:14

Lithium at the highest price for 18 months in China.

Lithium price in China surges 40% to 18-month high
MINING.COM Staff Writer | February 2, 2021 |

Lithium prices are soaring in China on the back of heavy demand for lithium iron phosphate (LFP) batteries, a new report by battery supply chain research and price reporting agency Benchmark Mineral Intelligence shows.

Benchmark's battery grade lithium carbonate midpoint price (EXW China, ≥99.0% Li2CO3) in January surged by over 40% compared to the same month last year to 61,000 yuan per tonne (~ $ 9,450 a tonne), the highest level since June 2019. Price came close to $ 25,000 a tonne at the start of 2018 but has been in steady decline since then.
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Re: LITHIUM, enough resources for all electric vehicles?




by thibr » 07/02/21, 15:23

the scale of the graph is ... : Shock:
inconsistent?
misleading?
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