electric car and transport, the point 2010 start

[I Citro]

I may be wrong but basically your pack is 120 x 100 = 12Kwh
If these figures are correct (it's not mine): https://www.econologie.com/l-energie-con ... -3227.html

These figures are correct. This is the theoretical energy on board the AX-Saxo and 106.
The electric consumption is 20kWh / 100km or the energy equivalent of 2 liters / 100km

The Berlingos and Partners embark on just over 16kWh. However, heavier and less aerodynamic, they consume more.

We're not about to go on vacation with electric cars

The new vehicles to come will ship between 24 and 36 kWh (except the Tesla which ships 54kWh). They will no longer consume their overall yield being improved. They can be, like my 106 charged on 16A sockets (at home) but also on semi fast or fast chargers.

In Bordeaux, there are a dozen semi-fast chargers which allow you to gain 2km of autonomy per minute of charge ... So imagine what fast charges can give ...

Anyway, the first users will not make this purchase to go on vacation ... Let's be serious.

[bernardd]

I may be wrong but basically your pack is 120 x 100 = 12Kwh
If these figures are correct (it's not mine): https://www.econologie.com/l-energie-con ... -3227.html

These figures are correct. This is the theoretical energy on board the AX-Saxo and 106.
The electric consumption is 20kWh / 100km or the energy equivalent of 2 liters / 100km

Which would mean that the AX-Saxo or the 106 have 60km of autonomy?

[Christophe]

The electric consumption is 20kWh / 100km or the energy equivalent of 2 liters / 100km

Yes but no because these 2 figures must be corrected by the respective returns.

20 kWh electric = (almost) final energy
2L of fuel = (almost) primary energy

I believe that your 20 kWh / 100 km are measured from the "plug to the wheel" or 0.2 kWh / km of overall consumption. They must therefore be compared with a "wheel pump" unit.

2L of fuel will only give roughly and on average (28% "pump-to-wheel" efficiency) only 20 kWh / 3.5 = 5.7 kWh useful for moving the car.

20 kWh / 100 km is therefore not equivalent to 2 L / 100 but to 20 * 3.5 / 10 = 7 L / 100 which is consistent because I think you have a pretty poor charge efficiency (50 to 60% if I remember?).

We can do the same reasoning by passing everything in primary energy (coef. 2.58 and 1.1)

[Gébé]

Anyway, the first users will not make this purchase to go on vacation ... Let's be serious.

Yes, and that’s why it’s not developing your electric car, because it is far from providing the same service as conventional models, that consumers find that the game is simply not worth the cost. candle, even with a bonus of € 5000 from the conspiratorial State *, because they have the means to have a higher standard of living in terms of energy consumption for transport.

* 2nd degree always

[I Citro]

No need to take others for naive or reject any scientific argument or concrete fact that does not go in the direction of his idea ("preconceived") ... a little bit of rationality damn it !!!

I do not understand your "demonstration" and you refute my argument. I speak of facts and you answer me statements of experts very media but having only a theoretical knowledge of the use of an EV.
When we know the number of EVs in perfect condition that currently go to the shredder each week IN FRANCE ...
When we know that these vehicles have traveled on average less than 20.000km in 10 years while individuals who have managed to acquire them achieve the same mileage in one year (the car of Madame passed yesterday the bar of 20.000km in only 15 months).
Ask me precise "scientific" questions, I think I can answer, knowingly, as well as Janco and Syrota ... and my report will not cost the tens of thousands of Euros they charge for their services. ..

[Christophe]

Well it depends on the service you are looking for.

Working at home we would be very satisfied with a second electric car for everyday trips, 2km of autonomy it suits me without problem.

There are millions of households in this case there ... I said a second ...

[Gébé]

I think I can answer, knowingly, as well as Janco and Syrota ...

Modest goes

[Christophe]

I think I can answer, knowingly, as well as Janco and Syrota ...

Modest goes

Except that Citro drives electric every day ... so yes I think level use of an EV he knows what it is causing ...

[I Citro]

Which would mean that the AX-Saxo or the 106 have 60km of autonomy?

Christophe replied by explaining that these consumptions from plug to wheel include intermediate losses, in particular between the charger and the batteries ...

But by pulling on it, my autonomy must surely go down to 60km ...
I said it and repeated, most of the time, autonomy is not a problem, I do about 40km / day and Ms. 32km, except on certain days, like today or, for her work, she has traveled 130km ...

[Gébé]

Well it depends on the service you are looking for.

Working at home we would be very satisfied with a second electric car for everyday trips, 2km of autonomy it suits me without problem.

There are millions of households in this case there ... I said a second ...

It is true, but for many, a second car is a small, inexpensive second-hand vehicle that does not roll a lot and which nevertheless has more flexibility than an electric one.