Water memory was found. Benveniste / Montagnier

[gek]

Hello Janic,

Marc Henry (my former teacher and now colleague) loves to pretend to be a teacher of quantum physics (and it works) but in reality he is a professor of molecular chemistry specializing in organometallic complexes. Anyone who has studied physics and chemistry a bit can realize the huge gap between molecular chemistry and quantum physics, but since homeopathy and other controversial theories love the word quantum it goes by and it is everywhere.
From my point of view, his speech on youtube is a big gibberish without any sense which uses the word quantum at all costs whereas when he talks about molecular chemistry there strangely it has a meaning and I understand it. I have exactly the same level of education as him.

http://complex-matter.unistra.fr/equipe ... e/accueil/

Until last year, he really had a double life, a classic scientist (publications in his field in peer-reviewed journals) at the University of Strasbourg and the rest on the internet. Recently, he began to "publish" on his theories of extreme dilutions but of course these are specialized journals on homeopathy not at all read or recognized by all the mainstream evil scientists who are certainly all bought by Monsanto and consorts or simply jealous or both ...

I find it deplorable that he uses the image of the unistra to propagate his personal convictions, that suggests to some that this is a real subject of research with us when this is not the case ...

[Janic]

Hello Gek,

Marc Henry (my former teacher and now colleague) loves to pretend to be a teacher of quantum physics (and it works) but in reality he is a professor of molecular chemistry specializing in organometallic complexes. Anyone who has studied physics-chemistry a bit can realize the huge gap between molecular chemistry and quantum physics but since homeopathy and other controversial theories lovers love the word quantum it goes by and it's all over the place.

Being neither a chemist nor a physicist, I would be careful not to express an opinion on these aspects, which are very interesting in themselves.
Where I do not share your opinion, it is on homeopathy that has gone down, precisely, by those who do not know her and that they would do well to study, even at a minimum.
Why do some pro H. invoke the word quantum? By acquaintance? no ! By verification (from the lab)? no ! but only because it is, in principle, what comes closest to this infinitesimal world obtained by dilution. In fact, to this day, the H do not know how to describe the phenomenon, but just to notice it just as gravity existed long before any explanation was given to it and it was not by an operation of the holy spirit ( whatever! )

From my point of view, his speech on youtube is a big gibberish without any sense which uses the word quantum at all costs whereas when he talks about molecular chemistry there strangely it has a meaning and I understand it. I have exactly the same level of education as him.

As you point out: " leaves I understand Clearly each of us with intellectual limitations, generally linked to the baggage acquired during our experience and obviously certain aspects can become incomprehensible without these means.
One of my children holds two doctorates, but still cannot understand the basics of mechanics, which is my field. It's like that !

Recently, he began to "publish" on his theories of extreme dilutions but of course they are specialized reviews on homeopathy. not read or recognized at all by all the wicked scientists

You put your finger right where it tilts.
In principle (not by its reality) the H is denigrated by a whole fringe of specialists in non homeopathy. Let me explain ! When we train mechanical engineers, there is a common core for everyone (as there is a common core in medicine to obtain a doctorate), then there is then a specialization, some towards aviation (by example) others to the navy, to the automobile, etc ... so when aviation specialists say dogmatically that it has never been proven, by themselves, according to their criteria, that no submarine has ever flown: they are right ! It's true, it has never been scientifically proven. But if they do not fly they sail underwater, which no plane can do (except in the cinema!) Or to use classical physics compared to quantum physics, these are two different fields, with common points, but which do not mix, at most they can complement each other, with intelligence.
So no, there are neither bad aircraft manufacturers, nor bad or nice submariners, but just different specialties which instead of opposing should, precisely, complement each other.
Where it hurts is not scientifically intellectually true, but at the cultural level where doctrines are imposed, which are transformed into dogma with, as usual historically, a domination of the strongest socially on the others, and it does not matter then on which side can find any truth.

mainstream which are certainly all bought by Monsanto and others or simply jealous or the 2 ...

There you mix everything! On the one hand, there is a particular mode of care which provides its own solutions to human suffering and which has nothing to do with the debates of pros and cons; and on the other, these philosophical debates on the one hand. whether it works or not, it is placebo or not which has nothing to do with its experimental reality. But when the economy is added to the philosophical discourses, it causes additional confusion in which the real scientific argument is no longer distinguished from the commercial argument, because we are in a society where it is the economy that ends up dominate all the other aspects.

I find it deplorable that he uses the image of the unistra to propagate his personal convictions, that suggests to some that this is a real subject of research with us when this is not the case ...

Tell yourself that sir, madam everyone doesn't care about internal speeches. For the average citizen (whatever the solution proposed) faced with his own social, economic or health difficulties, it is the purpose that does not count the paths traveled to achieve it.
If (in this subject) water is indeed a medium of information with memory, the future will give everyone right or wrong, but conservatism has never been the right solution or else we would still be at the age Stone. It is by questioning the acquired (or supposed to be such) that we progress in knowledge, which is precisely not limited to knowledge (and even less to specialties) of the moment and which some call scientific.

NB: Human nature is bizarre, sometimes it incenses, sometimes it vilifies. Montagnier was raised to the bare bones because he was supposed to have found a solution to a particular health problem, but only because he stayed on the rails of the "scientific" right thinking of the day. But as soon as he leaves these reassuring rails, he is vilified because the Catholic fashion has made its emulators: "Outside the church there is no salvation". Everyone should be humble and take a look back because it is never the conformists who made things happen, but the nonconformists precisely.

[izentrop]

Why do some pro H. invoke the word quantum? By acquaintance? no ! By verification (from the lab)? no ! but only because it is, in principle, what comes closest to this infinitesimal world obtained by dilution.

Do not get tired of finding a "rational" explanation, 40% of French people trust without asking any questions. http://www.slate.fr/story/154595/medeci ... ue-arnaque

However, we must hope that they will think a little more after that

University education
Lille suspends its homeopathy DU, Angers deletes it https://www.lequotidiendumedecin.fr/act ... ime_860655

and when the security no longer reimburses any homeopathic medicine, any deposit in favor of this pseudo-medicine will be deleted.

[Janic]

Janic wrote or why do some pro H. invoke the word quantum? By acquaintance? no ! By verification (from the lab)? no ! but only because it is, on the fact, which is closest to this infinitesimal world obtained by dilution.

Do not get tired of finding a "rational" explanation, 40% of French people trust without asking any questions.

Once again you walk next to your pumps because as usual you have trouble reading and understanding French.
Getting close to a principle does not mean being that principle.
For the real or supposed 40%, it is not a quantum dimension or not that interests them, but the efficiency observed. It is the same thing as for allopathic medicine where the patients have, most of the time, no knowledge on what is that chemistry., Like you for example.

However, we must hope that they will think a little more after that
University education
Lille suspends its homeopathy DU, Angers deletes it https://www.lequotidiendumedecin.fr/act ...ime_860655
and when the security no longer reimburses any homeopathic medicine, any deposit in favor of pseudo-medicines will be deleted.

You are in your usual fantasies. What interests H users once again is not a minimal reimbursement, but the fact that it works on them and given the low cost of these products, regardless of whether it is reimbursed or not. What costs the SS dearly is not the H, but the A.

[thibr]

finally it's still relevant
If homeopathy works, it is by virtue of principles that escape today's science, we are told. Water is a special fluid, capable of encoding and storing information that can heal us (but never harmful information apparently).

The hypothesis is necessary to protect the therapeutic claims of homeopathy from well-established knowledge in physics, chemistry and biology ... It is fiercely defended by rare researchers, and it finds its genesis in a famous article by 1988 which destroyed the career of Jacques Benveniste. Here is the story.

[Janic]

thibr
and you take this howler seriously? If you break down in a thermal car, you are not going to contact an electric car specialist. If you are going to have a heart procedure, you are not going to be a proctologist. There it is the same thing, to each his specialty and in homeopathy this bird is as hollow as his arguments!

[izentrop]

thibr
and you take this howler seriously?

The facts cited are widely demonstrated, your reaction reminds me of a Chinese proverb https://citations.ouest-france.fr/citat ... 85959.html.
What you will retort https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/c%E2%80% ... 2%80%99est

[Janic]

Janic wrote:
thibr
and you take this howler seriously?

The facts cited are widely demonstrated,

My eye! all that this zigoto says is just pipeau as usual. When he has the skills of Montagnier or Benveniste, he can bring it back, not before

your reaction makes me think of a Chinese proverb https://citations.ouest-france.fr/citat ...85959.html.
What you will retort https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/c%E2%80% ... 2% 80% 99 is

now you do the questions and answers, rock the guy. Especially since wisdom must be one of the things you don't know the meaning of!

[Exnihiloest]

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Where I do not share your opinion, it is on homeopathy that has gone down, precisely, by those who do not know her and that they would do well to study, even at the very least ...

It has not gone downhill: it recognizes its only observable effect, the placebo effect.

[Janic]

It has not gone downhill: it recognizes its only observable effect, the placebo effect.

hi, hi! This observable in question is to want to look at an atom with a telescope and these jokes say that we cannot see anything beyond the cm. What a bunch of branquignoles! maybe they are also looking to observe the stars with a microscope? and these zigotos take themselves for scientists