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The superorganisms in question




by sen-no-sen » 01/06/14, 17:31

It is a subject that is very little discussed and almost absent from the media sphere: the super-organism.

What is a superorganism?

Wikipedia definition:
A superorganism is a colony of individuals working together to produce a phenomenon governed by the community, the phenomenon including any activity "wanted by the colony" such as collecting food or choosing a new nesting site1. It is a sociobiological concept according to which a social organization, like a community, transcends the biological organisms which compose it.


Originally used to define the colonies of eusocial animals (ants, bees, termites), the concept of superorganism is also extrapolable to human society, it allows explanations particularly relevant to the social phenomena observed, in particular as regards the ecology and the helplessness of societies as regards the implementation of real measures allowing the safeguarding of the biosphere.

This notion also allows, through cybernetics, to bring a new look at phenomena such as suicide in our contemporary societies (which is rather awkwardly approached by psychiatry), as well as politics, economics, and social phenomena in general.


An interesting article from Jean Paul Baquiast On the question:

Are superorganisms endowed with consciousness?



Howard Bloom doesn't really question the consciousness skills that superorganisms might display. However, as soon as one is in the presence of a group of animals or men, one is tempted to lend it at least primitive forms of consciousness. Is it an anthropomorphic type of illusion? On the contrary, do societies not effectively have the possibility of maintaining collective consciousnesses more or less close to what individual consciousnesses are? We have seen (see Chapter 3) that the higher consciousness, almost exclusively (it seems) characterizing humans in society, was intimately linked to language. Primary consciousness is different. It is a property of the body in situation. It expresses the unity of the organic ego within the different external and internal perceptions that inform the nervous system. But it is not accompanied by self-awareness. It is found in more or less sophisticated forms in all animals (if not more widely still).

But human superorganisms are made up of men who are capable of language. They have the possibility of transmitting symbolic information enlightening the other members of the group on some of the contents of the primary consciousness. The enunciation of conscious content by a speaker leads to responses from his interlocutors, so that gradually mirrored exchanges are built up, which become more complex over time. We have previously indicated that the initial transmitter is led to become aware of its existence as an I, by assimilating to those to which it is addressed and which respond to it. The characteristic I of the higher consciousness would thus have been constructed during the exchange. You can see it in everyday life. The model of me around which my higher consciousness is organized is constantly built by the information I receive from the outside world. What my interlocutors tell me about myself, the models that third parties offer me and more generally everything that I see or read, I apply to myself. This is why memeticians are, as we will see, tempted to consider that the I is nothing other than a complex of memes or memeplexes, in permanent reconfiguration, thanks to which all of my references take on meaning. conscious. Can these mechanisms contribute to the birth of a collective consciousness which is not only made of a kind of average of individual consciousnesses?

Whether it is a bacterial colony, a swarm of bees, a pack of wolves or humans living in a territory to which they are attached, social super-organisms have a certain coherence. This makes it possible to analyze them as organisms instead of considering them as occasional groupings of isolated individuals. Everyone obeys complex social rules, most of which are still mysterious in the eyes of scientists. They are in any case not organisms comparable to that of an isolated animal, with its anatomical characters and its physiological processes increasingly identified by science. There is no reason, however, to deny them the ability to consciousness, at least to primary consciousness which seems inseparable from any organized biological constitution. But the bodily bases and neurological substrates of such primary consciousness are obviously not those which neurologists attribute to the primary consciousness of the individual animal or human organism. They must be sought on a case-by-case basis, this being all the more difficult since it is logical to postulate that the primary consciousness of a swarm of bees is not that (at least in the forms, if not in its logics of a human village community.

We could obviously avoid any difficulty by eliminating the hypothesis that such disparate super-organisms may have primary consciousnesses possibly comparable to that of man. But we would then miss out on the many opportunities to study and perhaps better begin to understand collective behaviors that would otherwise be inexplicable, such as panics. We would no doubt also deprive ourselves of the possibility of better understanding the primary human consciousness.

If we limit ourselves here only to human groups, can we make the hypothesis that studying them using the acquired knowledge of the studies of individual primary consciousness carried out by neuro-physiologists can bring different and more instructive elements than those provided by sociology or social psychology? Ranging from a single couple to all of humanity, these human groups are so varied that it seems difficult to observe some common substrates allowing the emergence of a collective primary consciousness. But there are certain areas where traditional sociology remains short of explanatory theories, such as the collective unconscious (1), the impulses of crowds ranging from aggression to adhesion without nuance, and many other phenomena which reveal the existence of a "physical" social body located in time and space. This body would be determined by factors other than the genetically programmed reflexes of individuals, but it would adopt well-defined states of which the supposed collective primary consciousness would be both the emanation and the coordinating agent.

Sociobiologists, as we will see, hypothesize that most collective unconscious behavior is caused by the genetic heritage of individuals. This would be the case, for example, with aggressiveness which obeys ancestral reflexes aimed at defending the territory. Geneticists, for their part, are now reluctant to make the link between a particular gene and a specific behavior, especially if it is not individual but collective. They suspect multiple relays which cannot be analyzed with current tools. Explaining a crowd reaction such as panic by the influence of genes controlling flight reflexes in individuals would be a bit quick. It would be like explaining an individual's flight reflex through the control system of one of his muscle groups. We must therefore seek a more global mechanism. Consequently, vast fields of investigation are now open, which will lead to better study how the primary consciousness manifests itself in individuals, animals included, then to investigate if such manifestations are found at the level of groups. An affirmative answer could suggest the existence of a true collective primary consciousness.


Extract from his book:"For a strong materialist principle" which I highly recommend reading! (Jean-Paul Bayol editions).
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by sen-no-sen » 20/07/14, 19:14

An interesting comment from Hedi Doukhar on the notion of "unleashing of matter", more commonly called "system":

To imagine what this notion of the unleashing of matter develops as an extremely fruitful idea (unlike the concept of “materialism” with marked ideological and philosophical overtones), iWe must imagine the System as a machine with immeasurable dimensions, driven by thermodynamics and its devouring need for energy, composed of countless factories in production all over the world - actually managed by multinationals - and whose products flood the whole earth by all possible means of transport; all of which employ billions of employees, consumers of these products, who supply banks and insurance companies. Workers from all production sectors also come from the sick and wounded, soldiers and police, who provide work for hospitals and the pharmaceutical industries, which in turn become factories for profit. This monstrous machine has arrived at the point predicted by Yvan Illich since the sixties; the one where, for the greatest number, everything switches to its opposite: the positive in negative. The health system produces the sick, that of education, of the ignorant, that of communication more isolation; security, insecurity; peace, war, etc.

To further refine the image, it is necessary to conceive this machine made of the unleashing of matter, like a body of which almost all the mechanical and dynamic activities, at all levels and in all areas, are the cells and whose human work is blood. This machine has reached such a power that it has imposed itself on all as a kind of fatality to which we can only submit, and that it is impossible to stop because it controls all those who serve it and who depend from her to live, from the most humble worker to the biggest banker, passing by the most powerful head of state of the country and the director of the medium which has the largest audience. All are his slaves, and even if they happen to realize that they are at the service of a body that has become monstrous and whose irrepressible voracity threatens even the human species, even life on earth and in all the known universe. , they can only be terrorized at this thought. They will repress it with dread, without being able to exclude it from their unconscious. Which does not fail to have psychic fallout. (...)


The following here:
http://hedidh.blogspot.fr/2012/06/loccident-en-tant-que-dechainement-de.html
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by Ahmed » 20/07/14, 21:48

... they are at the service of a body that has become monstrous and whose irrepressible voracity threatens even the human species, even life on earth and in all the known universe, they can only be terrorized at this thought. They will repress it with dread, without being able to exclude it from their unconscious. Which does not fail to have psychic fallout.

It would also be interesting, Conversely, to ask oneself what are the psychic repercussions of the very lucid consciousness of this threat?
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by chatelot16 » 22/07/14, 22:59

living systems come from a long natural selection where failures are forgotten

a swarm of bees or an ant's nest is the result that works because those who did not walk have punctured

even a large human society is not the result of a selection from an infinite number of attempts! current human society is the only one that must work the first time!

so it takes real smart people to lead

the evolution of animal species has always been very slow ... since man it has become infinitely faster: radical change in a few years instead of a millennium ... rapid change sometimes for the better sometimes for the worse .. but anyway faster than the evolution of animals, or animal systems
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by Ahmed » 23/07/14, 10:12

The biological evolution of species tends towards a balance with its environment. Some so-called "primitive" organisms have not evolved for millennia because they are perfectly functional ...

The human species now evolves at an increasingly rapid pace of its cultural genetics, transforming the environment to such an extent that it becomes unfit for survival; It is from this observation that very logically flows the transhumanist currents which aim to adapt man to his new environment.

Logical absurd, because circular, which establishes a perpetual imbalance perfectly unmanageable.
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by Ahmed » 23/07/14, 11:55

Chatelot, you wrote:
so you need real smart people to lead

Really intelligent people, that's not missing!
It is therefore better to look elsewhere for an explanation.

The natural evolution makes that each element of the living "tends to persevere in its being", as it says. Spinoza.
Cultural evolution tends towards a different purpose, unconscious and contrary to the survival of the species.

This is where "intelligence" becomes a serious handicap, since it finds itself obliged to work to its own loss: the more efficient rationality in the service of the irrational, the faster the deadline will come.
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by sen-no-sen » 23/07/14, 15:47

chatelot16 wrote:
even a large human society is not the result of a selection from an infinite number of attempts! current human society is the only one that must work the first time!


Sorry but you are seriously mistaken chatelot!
The models of society are very numerous and they operate within it the same principles of natural selection as through species ...
The current model, the techno-scientist super-organism or "merchant totalitarian system" is the one that has crushed all the others, by process of elimination ... It is now the era of "the anthropocene...
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by chatelot16 » 23/07/14, 16:54

precisely the world model has crushed the others just because it was the strongest ... that does not prove that it is the best ... and the other civilizations could not show their quality since they disappeared!

so that there is selection, it is necessary that the different solution can exist long enough

if several systems have the place to exist separately we can see which is the best

but when space is limited, if there is competition between a sustainable but weak system ... and a system bad for the future but strong by violence, it is the strongest system in the short term that crushes the one who is the best in the long run

we can no longer count on such a stupid selection to ensure the future
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by Ahmed » 23/07/14, 18:09

We can no longer count on such a stupid selection to ensure the future.

As we say Roddier, you have to take things in hand and make the choices that will decide the future, in a lucid manner.
Now, lucidity is the least widespread virtue: it has become scarce due to generalized propaganda.
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by sen-no-sen » 24/07/14, 11:02

chatelot16 wrote:precisely the world model has crushed the others just because it was the strongest ... it doesn't prove he's the best ...


In the process of natural selection the term "best" does not mean "very much.
Is the Asian hornet better than the European hornet?
Natural selection determines the species or more broadly the systems best suited to a given environment.
In the techno-scientist system, a trader of Wall-Street is better suited than a Kenyan peasant to market fluctuations ... it's very sad, but it is so.

if several systems have the place to exist separately we can see which is the best

From the point of view of physics, the "best" system ... is nature ...
If humanity wants to perpetuate its existence it will be responsible for finding a model aiming to come as close as possible to it, this will necessarily go through a strong decrease and a deep reconsideration of our way of life ... obviously this will be totally fine. against the "power" in place ...
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