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by sen-no-sen » 12/08/13, 12:07

Janic wrote:to also review another very interesting documentary "the earth in boiling" which would have given rise to comments elsewhere including the fact of the current uplift of 5mm / year of Everest, that is to say 30 cm since the conquest of this one, it 60 years ago, which, on the estimated age of Everest of 8MA, would be 40 km high !!!!!!


Ah, so that takes you back: 8 X 000 = 000 (m).
So the Himalayas should be 40km high, so the earth is younger, so geologists are wrong ... have known the reasoning!

But erosion, isostatic adjustment, underlying thrust, er, what is it already? : Mrgreen:

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by Janic » 12/08/13, 14:43

so geologists are wrong
don't mix them up! The syntax also has its scientific rules!
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by Obamot » 12/08/13, 14:51

In the case that you describe: start already by proving that the Evrest would be 40 km high Janic and we will talk about it again ...

It's not all about insinuating, merging into hypotheses: you have to prove.
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by sen-no-sen » 12/08/13, 15:47

On the other hand, we can know for what reason the subject on the evolution of species is closed?
Because there has been for a few months a new applicant for the title of first bird ... :frown:
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by gegyx » 12/08/13, 18:38

Janic wrote:... the current 5mm / year uplift of Everest, or 30 cm since its conquest, 60 years ago, which, on the estimated Everest age of 8MA, would give 40 km from above!!!!!!


"The Himalayas due to the uprising of the Eurasian Plate under the advancing Indian Plate 70 million years ago."

70 * 000 = 000 m : Shock:

What Janic meant is still obvious:
is that an uplift of 5mm per year currently, it is very important compared to its past.
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by Flytox » 12/08/13, 20:05

gegyx wrote:What Janic meant is still obvious:
is that an uplift of 5mm per year currently, it is very important compared to its past.


+1; For the measurements during the first ascent and now, what are the measurement uncertainties? Difference in method applied etc ... Not sure that we make a good interpretation of these "raw" measurements : Mrgreen:
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by sen-no-sen » 12/08/13, 21:32

gegyx wrote:
70 * 000 = 000 m : Shock:

What Janic meant is still obvious:
is that an uplift of 5mm per year currently, it is very important compared to its past.


Except that the geological mechanisms are not so simple ...

The answer was provided here:
https://www.econologie.com/forums/l-evolution-des-especes-biologiques-et-le-hasard-t11282-1580.html
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by Obamot » 13/08/13, 01:34

Shocking that some would still like to zap on continental drift, and not take this into account in the "timing", nor in the effects of the forces exerted by the circulation of the magma ...

Since it is a known and observable fact in our time still, that the telluric activity has ups and downs (why nobody takes it into account in the counter-arguments), and that in geological history, the more pressures increased on both sides, the more they offset each other to achieve a near-zero weighting (all phenomena combined) or considerably reduced by the balance of forces! Very intense phenomena at a time, very weak nowadays ... (The pressures exerted also increasing or dying out hand in hand ...)

See the "Statics of fluids" and "solids":
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statique_des_fluides
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statique_du_solide

And this is precisely what residual phenomenon equilibrium of forces that we called uplift which causes a thrust up (or down) but also diagonally (depending on the intrinsic resistance of the geological layers crossed), if not even towards the sides => the folds observable in plate tectonics prove and attest to it ... And it is also what further reduces the supposed amplitude of the effect obtained.

Last but not least, do not zap yet on the fact that the more the mass is important to lift, the more gravity acts as a retarder, so it would be totally unfair to consider that this phenomenon at a constant value!

Weight, related to Earth's gravity:
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poids

And this principle of balance of forces and compression of a fluid / gas is easily verifiable, since it is the same that causes volcanic activity and the stroke of a piston in an internal combustion engine. And necessarily, the fluid dynamics applies to magma and the earth's crust. Would the aces from the Pantone engine suddenly forget it?
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamique_des_fluides

That too, out of total ignorance of the rules of statics (apparently encouraged by some for obscure reasons, because one would not dare imagine that they were in bad faith Image no, we wouldn't dare) however we still zap on known truths ... Since all these phenomena interact with each other, compensate for each other, sometimes add up but most often cancel each other out. Up to the "Theory of the Earth's Rotation" de Gallilée (I know, it's just a theory!)

And Flytox, we are light years away from being able to invalidate everything en bloc with a nutty rule of three as Janic claims, so you would have done better to post your "smiley" in the "humor" section ", because seen in such a reductive way, the"Method differences applied"by having" forgotten "to integrate the essential in a "correct interpretation of" raw "measurements"...

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by Janic » 13/08/13, 08:09

me what "frightens" me is to bring back to a "negro" what is affirmed by renowned scientists and not to take it into account, it is true that it is easier to attack the copyist only to the author (the authors). Then, it is still to take scientists for donkeys packaged under the sole pretext that they do not stick to the official speech and to let believe that they do not know (it is however their job) what a subduction is, a static or dynamic balance of forces, etc… .and that they did not take it into account.
I suppose that Cailleux quoted and the others have a CV which largely exceeds those which are expressed here. Finally, the current uplift measurements are made to the nearest mm by sophisticated means and note a fact that for 60 years this uplift has been 30 cm: period!
But it is not specific to evolution, it is the same for these black holes or this black energy and their interpretation. Etienne Klein who gives his opinion on the subject of black holes says: " between theory and facts, it's always the facts that are right ". But the controversies do not turn on the facts but on their interpretation ! (not only on this subject: Fossi is shit, EMI is shit, UFOs, ET, 11/09, etc ... all this is shit; always for same reasons = conservatism! Don't touch my friend!)
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by sen-no-sen » 13/08/13, 09:53

I propose a subject specially dedicated to geology and geophysics, what do you think?

Janic wrote:

I suppose that Cailleux quoted and the others have a CV which largely exceeds those which are expressed here.


We should explain or André Cailleux to question contemporary geology :?:
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