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by Janic » 23/11/13, 11:05

Bread and games!
César Jules is credited with this sentence: " give them bread and games and I take care of the rest »(Hence the circus games!)
At that time, poverty was great and Rome was invaded by a population coming from the countryside hoping to find work there, but in reality made them unemployed. Nothing new under the sun ! 20 centuries later The "Romes" have multiplied on earth and, for our French society, the phenomenon is obvious.
It is easy to note that the more individuals lack the necessary (vital or not) the more they lock themselves into the illusion of a miracle that could get it out of this situation and our current Caesars have largely taken the formula of the Roman Caesar.
"La Française des Jeux sees its capital held 72% by the State, providing it with cash more than 3 billion each year. Between 1990 and 2012, the turnover of the French games has quadrupled to 12,1 billion while the gross domestic product only doubled. Thus the 26,2 million French players blithely lose 4,2 billion (that is to say the 35% that the State does not return to the players. "
"If the players played an average of 460 euros at the games of the FDJ (NOTE: this sum only concerns the FDJ to which all other games such as racing, casinos and other betting systems including sports betting should be added.). These bets are distributed to 37% of so-called CSP players (workers and employees), 35% inactive (retired and without official work) and 28% of CSP +. The first two categories, the most financially fragile, therefore represent 72% players. According to a joint INPES and OFDT survey, players classified as excessive (around 1.3% of the total population are mostly low-income people. 58% of the players questioned declare an income of less than 1.100 euros "While just under half of tax households are not subject to income tax. You could say that the puncture of the FDJ constitutes a hidden tax."
"The few behavioral studies, conducted abroad especially and more recently in France, agree more or less on the quantity of" excessive gamblers ", split between" pathological gamblers "- the definition of which in the DSM-IV ( diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders) scares- and "moderate risk players". In total they would be 600.000 in France (of the order of 200.000 and 400.000 respectively) all games and chance combined. "
However, games and lotteries of all kinds have been prohibited in France since the 1836 law still in force today.

Extracts from the article "Lotery. State cash machine? " of Edouard ballot journalist and writer and economist by training appeared in Nexus n ° 88.
To note the efforts of the State to fight against these addictions, while making write in very small that the play can cause addictions. This is concrete action! : Cheesy:
Julius Caesar would probably admire the scale taken by his maxim except that it is always more games and less and less bread. But we cannot have everything !!! : Cry:
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Re: Bread and games!




by sen-no-sen » 23/11/13, 11:59

Janic wrote:To note the efforts of the State to fight against these addictions, while making write in very small that the play can cause addictions. This is concrete action! : Cheesy:


: Lol:
Note also the liberalization of online poker-type games!
We live in an oxymoron society: "do what I say, not what I do"...
What is Bossuet's sentence already?




We attribute to César Jules this sentence: "give them bread and games and I take care of the rest" (hence the circus games!)
At that time, poverty was great and Rome was invaded by a population coming from the countryside hoping to find work there, but in reality made them unemployed. Nothing new under the sun ! 20 centuries later The "Romes" have multiplied on earth and, for our French society, the phenomenon is obvious.


Indeed!
The mechanisms in play at the time are exactly the same as today.
It's to the Roman poet Juvenal that we have this expression:"Bread and games".
It corresponds to the time of the Spartacus revolt, there are common points with contemporary times ... which are chilling in the back as to its purpose:
-Increase in misery.
-Increase in violence.
- Successive wars.
-Very strong economic disparities.
... then collapse of the Roman Empire ...

This collapse is the same as the one hanging over our heads nowadays: globalism being based on a logic of exponential growth, it appears that the "annexation" of a new sector (economic / geographical) makes it possible to face the main maintenance cost, except that the cost of the whole increases with each additional step, requiring, in fact, more extension: this is "exponentialism".

The outcome is simple: systemic collapse.
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by Janic » 23/11/13, 17:52

The outcome is simple: systemic collapse.
replaced by what? There is the question!
the Apocalypse which describes the history of humanity until its end, not very rosy moreover (from where this use to describe a cataclysmic end which, in fact, like the other prophetic books, does nothing but announcing events in advance) leaves little hope for human systems in their vanity. Only an awareness (and therefore acts) of a higher spiritual level could get us out of this bad step. Unfortunately materialism, as finality, took precedence over the spirit and whose effects we see more and more marked in all societies (what always in this book is called the prince of this world: mammon or money for money, the new religion of this world of which we form for the most part the new followers more or less accomplices!)
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by sen-no-sen » 23/11/13, 18:27

Janic wrote:
The outcome is simple: systemic collapse.
replaced by what? There is the question!


Physics applied to the human sciences - still in its infancy - (in terms of notoriety) clearly respond to this type of questioning.
The study of history also.
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by Janic » 23/11/13, 18:35

Physics applied to the human sciences - still in its infancy - (in terms of notoriety) clearly respond to this type of questioning.
:?:
The study of history also.
king- :?: until our time history only concerned parts of this world; today the whole earth is concerned. I doubt that all the political and economic leaders harmonize for a better life on this planet (or else they hide it well!)
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by sen-no-sen » 23/11/13, 19:16

Janic wrote:
Physics applied to the human sciences - still in its infancy - (in terms of notoriety) clearly respond to this type of questioning.
:?:


I can try to answer, but it may become somewhat esoteric ...

until our time history only concerned parts of this world; today the whole earth is concerned.


It is just a question of scale, nevertheless it is clear that our era introduces a new deal: ecological upheavals on a world scale.

I doubt that all the political and economic leaders harmonize for a better life on this planet (or else they hide it well!)


I doubt it too!
History teaches us on this subject that it is the situation (often nightmarish!) Which allows the awakening of the spirits!
Unfortunately this is not done without damage!
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by Janic » 23/11/13, 19:48

I can try to answer, but it may become somewhat esoteric ...
no problem!
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by sen-no-sen » 23/11/13, 20:57

Okay if you insist ... I'll try to be pretty clear!

Recent syntheses including the physical sciences have led to the construction of what Henri laborit called a "new grid": that is to say an attempt to explain social phenomena through our knowledge.
The latter was launched in the adventure starting from work done in biology.
More recently other scientists have done the same, but starting from an even more fundamental situation: physics.

Until now social phenomena was only considered through sociology, ethology and psychology.
The physical sciences, although explaining the fundamental processes, were considered too distant, and life too complex to be approached by this one from a direct point of view.

Yet it appears, on the contrary, that our human societies respond, in all respects to processes present in nature and those at different levels (we have known this intuitively for centuries!).
We call it scale invariance.
Works like those of Benoit mandelbrot helped to highlight the fractal nature of our universe, proof to support it.

We notice for example the formation of what are called fields of Ising in physical processes such as ferromagnetism.
We define an Ising domain as follows:"domain within which the elements share common information".
This is true for iron particles (for example), liquids, plants, animals and by the same logic of human societies ...

This is where the principles of thermodynamics come into play, and in particular its third principles.
This third principle has recently been adapted to the human sciences (it is for this reason that I insist on the notion of attempted explanation because for the moment the idea is still new, although universally verified!).
It is stated as follows: dissipative structures self-organize by maximizing the energy flows which pass through them ... some examples:
-the atmosphere and the temperature exchanges between Pole and equator.
-cyclones.
-the stars.
-the living beings...
But that's not all, by maximizing the energy that flows through them, it also maximizes speed at which the energy dissipates.

This is the fundamental point that interests us from an ecological point of view:The more its structures evolve over time, the more they quickly modify their environment, and the more they in turn must evolve to survive the changes undergone .

In the area that interests us, that is to say ecology, we note that the more our society "progresses", the faster our life changes.
We often hear people say it:"everything is going faster and faster".
This is a direct consequence of the changes we make to our environment, this one retro-acting with us ...

This is why we see worrying phenomena appearing such as the appearance of GMOs, synthetic biology, transhumanism ... his techno-scientist inventions are only variables of adjustments allowing to adapt the " life "to the new system created.

Besides this, we can see helplessly the disappearance of wild fauna and flora, indigenous peoples, traditional cultures and spirituality.

If we adopt a theological reading grid, we can qualify this period as a diabolical era, announcing the end of time (in fact a cycle).

To conclude, the same laws of physics tell us that the outcome of such a system is systemic collapse ... with a return to a stable state.
Historically it looks like the aftermath of war or natural disaster ...
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by Ahmed » 23/11/13, 22:46

This analogy with physical phenomena is very interesting, even if it does not seem completely convincing to me.
At a certain time "the choice of fire" *, that is to say the use of thermodynamic forward flight was made, others were possible ...
The result has been a capacity for the destruction of nature never reached before; we are less threatened by the atomic bomb, a visible but potential danger, than by the daily and apparently harmless use of our mechanical slaves (harmless taken individually, deadly considered as a whole).
The abundance and cheapness of energy leads it to be considered as an adjustment externality (just like nature ...Image, etc.).


* Title of a work ofAlain Gras.
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by Janic » 24/11/13, 09:18

ahmed hello
This analogy with physical phenomena is very interesting, even if it does not seem completely convincing to me.
if we limit ourselves only physical phenomena: why not!
At a certain time "the choice of fire" *, that is to say the use of thermodynamic forward flight was made, others were possible ...
As ?
The result has been a capacity for the destruction of nature never reached before; we are less threatened by the atomic bomb, a visible but potential danger, than by the daily and apparently harmless use of our mechanical slaves (harmless taken individually, deadly considered as a whole).

Yes and no at the same time, this thermodynamic bulimia is intimately linked to the capacity of human beings to consume, therefore with physical and psychological limits. So as long as the population and thermodynamic consumption ratio was absorbable and compensable by the natural environment (which has happened for millennia) the danger was almost zero. This is not the case with nuclear bombs which are only mechanical bearings, showing off your biscuits, but where nobody wants to take shots (but which can do immense damage like Hiroshima and Nagasaki or Chernobyl and Fukushima. ), but when the two combine ... !!!!
So the real problem comes from the population explosion aimed at energy consumption similar to the American-European haves and there nature is not able to absorb all the excesses that this represents.
But the shortage, in the short or medium term, of energy supplies, may perhaps put limits (or the end) to this mismanagement to which we have become accustomed.
On the esoteric level mentioned, the question to ask is: the why and how of this explosion of discoveries in all the so-called scientific and especially technical fields (basis of the materialism of science) as never happened in previous civilizations, at the same time as this population explosion.
Inevitable suicidal behavior?

sen no sen hello too
If we adopt a theological reading grid, we can qualify this period as a diabolical era, announcing the end of time (in fact a cycle).

it all depends on the reading grid chosen. So the end of time can be interpreted as that of the end ofun time, therefore cyclic or DES time as the end of a single necessary cycle. For example, some Eastern philosophies see a succession of life cycles through reincarnations, in Western philosophy and more particularly monotheistic which is the most widespread, the life cycle is unique.
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