Kardashev scale, amount of energy of a civilization

[Remundo]

and how do we send energy to earth?

Do we generate a light beam, or multibeam towards the earth?

We're going to be super hot, if the earth is "at the center of the sun"

[Christophe]

Well there is no more Earth! Earth is the ring or the disc ... These are much larger space megastructures than planets

(but we will also have to explain to us where they find the materials to build them: maybe on the asteroid belt?)

In short, man will be the creator of heaven and earth, in short the equal of God, well before reaching the Type 7 stage. I hope that the Vatican does not monitor us otherwise we will still not be friends!

[Christophe]

Moved to Society and Philosophy!

It will also revive this subject, whose subject is fundamental I think ...

[sen-no-sen]

In a report speculating on very long-term human evolution, the conclusion imagined by futurists was that humanity, provided it evolves in a technological way, no longer exists in biological form, but as the appearance of a super computer / information cloud moving through the universe and containing all of humanity's consciousness (like the "Matrix" ).

Curiously I had come to the same conclusion by intellectual play.
The question to ask concerning this scale of civilization, would be to know up to where it is necessary to go ... and in which direction? Technological, Spiritual etc ...

[Christophe]

Do you remember the report?

Slate's article about Fermi's paradox (even if not cited):
http://www.slate.fr/story/47279/seti-al ... terrestres

which contains a similar passage with your idea:

Captain Picard of Star Trek

Precisely, Star Trek immediately came into the conversation once arrived on the subject of whether it was reasonable to imagine that an advanced civilization could develop a beacon system to preserve its memory, once all traces of its splendor have disappeared. Kaku recalled an episode from the New Generation series: "Interior light", in which a ray emitted by a mysterious space probe knocks out Captain Picard, who finds himself in a dream on an unknown and distant planet, where he exercises the weaver's trade, without being aware of his true identity.

He leads quiet days, until the day when it starts to heat up quickly until becoming unlivable. Her last memory, which has become old, is the launch of a probe which collects the history of this dying civilization, so that her last years will be replayed in the mind of whoever she meets (Picard, then, wakes up and finds that 'only 25 minutes have passed).

"It was their way of preserving their collective memory," concludes Kaku. "As a result, he had been able to acquire an incredibly intimate knowledge of this civilization."

[sen-no-sen]

Do you remember the report?

It seemed to me like a National Geographic report, but I can't remember the title.

But it ties in with the concept of "computronium":

http://www.internetactu.net/2008/09/08/prochain-arret-la-singularite-34-de-la-realite-intelligente-au-computronium/

[Christophe]

Mister Nikolai Semionovich Kardashev:

[dedeleco]

Much more than the energy, on which we focus too much, what already counts much more, it is our knowledge, our information, which will become even more important in the future, in particular knowledge about life, which, if understood, domesticated, allows for the future to use much less energy to achieve anything by self-construction, like an egg gives a whole functional animal, we can realize any robot at our service to from an egg modified for this use.

We are already starting to make the beginnings of organs, skin, teeth, nerves, heart, etc. and unpredictable future progress could be much faster than we think.
As in 1880 it was totally impossible to imagine our current current technology, car, plane, TV, computer, mobile phone, GPS, scanners, DNA, etc., we cannot imagine future revolutions for in a century, because otherwise they would exist real.
We can only sketch lines, but the knowledge of multicellular life (almost zero still today) will allow us to synthesize organs to repair us, then to modify animals, to give them the desired forms and functions, in a controlled and not almost by chance with harmful and perverse effects with current GMOs, too premature, by us apprentice sorcerers that we are, because we understand nothing about our neurons, and their signals between our neurons, our cells and the epigenetic code which conditions all our form, and our life.

But progress could be rapid, with life used and domesticated at the base of all our future technology, using far less energy than today, as our computers, for the same computing capacity, have seen. energy decrease by hundreds of millions, from the first lamp computers around 1940 to 1950, when all the energy on earth would not have been enough to have the computing power of just one of our laptops.
Life has even more formidable performances of self-construction, self-repair, self-multiplication, at the nanometric level, which we can hope to domesticate much better and use, in the coming century, with much less necessary energy.

Quantum mechanics could reveal unimaginable possibilities, hidden in its strangeness, superfluidity, superconductors, parallel worlds, quantum computers (in fact identical to domesticating parallel quantum micro worlds), teleportation of something else greater than an electron spin or photon, etc., which does not expend energy.

Also, energy will not be the right criterion, but our knowledge alone will define our level.

[Obamot]

Humans too are part of the universe, and "hide its strangeness!» (not true Dede)

And he may have discovered so many secrets and technologies, as long as he himself has not made the right social choices, he may well lay "spectacular sentences "relating the triumph of the dogma of science it will not advance the schmilblick of a chouilla, amha.

[Christophe]

We are already starting to make the beginnings of organs, skin, teeth, nerves, heart, etc. and unpredictable future progress could be much faster than we think.
As in 1880 it was totally impossible to imagine our current current technology, car, plane, TV, computer, mobile phone, GPS, scanners, DNA, etc., we cannot imagine future revolutions for in a century, because otherwise they would exist real.

Absolutely, progress is faster and faster (except major regression / planetary catastrophe)!

Kardashev's stage 3 (= colonization of the Milky Way = Star Wars hihihi) is estimated at 7800, which is very very weak (ultra fast) on a geological scale!

So I think more and more that no civilization is "wise" enough to go beyond stage 1 ...

Demonstration of the Fermi paradox! Will we be the first to exceed it? Not at all!